what have this ribbon bars in common?

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Guys,

here are pics of some ribbon bars.
What do You think they have in common?

Best regards

Daniel

[Daniel Krause]

... and the reverses.
Note that all have different backings.

[AOK4]

Apart from the EK2, the Ritterkreuz des Kgl. Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern?

Jan

[Daniel Krause]

Jan, You are right, but I mean something else...

Here a closeup of the hooks.

Best regards

Daniel

[Klaus O.]

Daniel,

Were they put together by the same tailor? Are these ribbon bars in your collection? They look quite impressive... Nevertheless there is something bothering about these bars...

I don't want to be anal, but I don't like the way the backings are sewn on the back and the position of the a couple of ribbons, totally misplaced:

1st ribbon bar : KVK 2. Kl. mit X... it should be positioned right after the EK 2. Kl.

2nd ribbon bar: a EK 2. Kl. 1939 after the Ehrenkreuz f. Frontkämpfer??? This ribbon is definately not a Rotkreuz ribbon.... why there isn't the cross device on the Ehrenkreuz? This officer would have been obviously a "Frontkämpfer"!

I don't like to much the crossed swords with crown devices for the Hohenzollern cross... just my humble opinion! I hope that I am wrong... Perhaps Rick (Lundström) can enlight us!!!

Did you buy these recently? Did they come from the same dealer?

Ciao,

Claudio

[Daniel Krause]

Spot on Claudio!

You are right!
I think the bars are put together. All basics are brass, the unusual thick needles and hooks from steel.
I got the bars all from the same source.
It is not the usual Ohio crap, that why I post it to prevent that others get also burned.

I think to strip one to see how they look under the backing.
Shall Ì?

Best regards

Daniel

[Rick Research]

No, I don't think you need to do that. have you blacklighted the ribbons?

So now Ohio has competition from Germany?

[Daniel Krause]

Yes I did.
All seems to be old originals.

Best regards

Daniel

[JensF.]

Daniel, these are very well made! Can you see if the ribbons are not faded under the devices? Maybe these are not put together?!?

[McCulloh]

The double-backed flapping eagles on the LS ribbon-ah, what's going on here?
Thanks,
Jemc

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Jeff,

the whole bar is simply impossible combo.
The double eagle alone is no sign of a fake.
I have another (but original) bar with double eagles on one ribbon to save the space.

Best regards

Daniel

[WNickel]

Hi Jeff,

the explaination of the double-backed flapping eagles is the following. At first there were two long service ribbons - in WW1 he got the Kriegsverdienstkreuz and so he changed one long service ribbon against the KVK-ribbon with swords.

I can't explain the third ribbon (for combatants with swords) and no medal for China, Southwest or colonial service....

Werner

[McCulloh]

Thanks Werner

Thanks Werner:
Actually what I was going for with my question about the "mating eagles" is has anybody else ever seen a REAL ribbon bar where double eagles were used to designate a Long Service medal (12/4 usw.) combination?
Thanks,
jeMc

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Jeff,

here is the bar of General von Neindorf.
He also used 2 eagles on 1 ribbon to save space.

Best regards

Daniel