Another Saxon/ Saxe-Meingn overlap. Note the epalette rank and the FIRST medal-@1,350 of these awarded to 1921.
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Hello Jeff,
with the words of RickL "an ugly bar". The saxon long service for 15 years and the silver cross of the Albrechtsorden with swords are right, but the saxon-meiningen cross for officers?????
Maybe it's an Feldwebelleutnant or he got the cross, when he was Leutant dR or dLw - I think a very interesting bar..
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Hello Jeff,
What's exactly the number on his shoulder boards? 243?
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Yup. 243
I think he's a feldwebel Lt. or a offizier candidate? That's dark cloth edging on his epalette, although there is a pip below the 243.
This is the 2nd photo I have of a Saxon with NCO medals and an Officers' Saxe Mein. war cross. So apparently the officers' cross was given to either Warrant Officers and/or Officer candidates.
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And so far you have BOTH photographs, too!
Looks like an Oberleutnant's rank to me too... can't imagine how a Feldwebelleutnant ended up as one of those, even on retirement bump out.
Eez mysterious.
So many questions could be answered if only these wretched Dead People had neatly entered their names and dates on backs!!!
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So the man is a Lieutenant in the Saxon Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 243? I'll have a look if I find something in the regimental history...
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The silver cross of the Albrechts-order was given to 8 member of the IR 243 - all of them were Feldwebelleutnants.
Georg Aust 14.04.1916
Max Faber 17.09.1917
Hermann Franke 17.12.1916
Arno Förster 17.02.1916
Paul Hirsch 17.02.1916
Alfred Krauß 28.02.1916
Albert Richter 14.04.1916
Bernhard Schlehahn 25.05.1916
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I didn't find anyone of them back as an officer...
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AAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ok, finally got it out of my system. Jeff, that is by far, probably the rarest photo we have between us. The Albrecht's Orden, Albrecht's Kreuz mit Schwerter was only awarded 1,392 times. I am stunned by the photo, stunned my friend. Truly!
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Stogie: I got it for $5.00 on ebay.de.
As a tantalizing tidbit-wait until you see what i just got for my 40th birthday. I'll try and post it tonight, but as a teaser-in involves Tunis-and CUBA ("Bully")!
As he is wearing the black wound badge the photo must have been taken AFTER June 1918 ( at the earliest). So we can eliminate any of the above men who were KIA by then. Is there a list of casualties in the Regimental History Werner?
Lastly, has Autengruber done a Saxe Meinigen War Cross roll?
THANKS WERNER!!!
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Jeff,
There's no list of casualties in the history of the RIR 243. There is a list of officers but I didn't find any of the Feldwebel-Leutnants back as an officer...
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Awwww...Drat!
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OK, I have been looking in the Albert-Merit Cross X rolls and in the Intendanturbeamten ERL:
while I found no match, what did turn up is that SOME Beamten were theoretically (or rather "nominally" I should say) Reserve Officers. That, after all, is how they could end up with BOTH the XXV and XX Years Service Crosses. In some strange cases, it appears that it was possible that such a "dual" Beamter might have been awarded the Cross AS a Beamter, but what he is doing here is wearing his uniform as an "officer."
What makes YOUR guy odd, is that he is wearing an XV Years Service CRoss, which suggests career NCO-- I'd expect NCO lace on his collar and LEUTNANT boards = Feldwebelleutnant. But he clearly has an Oberleutnant's pip!
Now there were other weirdnesses I know about: in Bavaria, for some "reason" PAYMASTERS were "dissed" during the war-- a paymaster who held an MVO4 peacetime from before the war could only receive the MVKIX during the war-- producing some "demoted" looking bars. BUT-- I have NEVER heard of a Paymaster who was also a Reserve Officer!
If only there was a NAME on that photo!
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