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    #1

    Weird Overseas Cap

    I posted this in the uniforms forum, but maybe someone here has a clue since this has a vague veteran's organization look.

    This was too weird to pass up. High quality wool in a medium blue (darker and less gray than Luftwaffe blue, and lighter and less "black" than Navy) with gray piping. The edges of the tricolor ribbon were metallic silver or gilt but are now green with verdigris.

    The style reminds me of American veteran's organization hats. The vet I got it from absolutely insisted that he'd brought it back at the end of W.W.2., and every other item he had was legit. However, I'd love some validation from somebody who has seen this insignia or usage before. Better yet, how about an ironclad i.d?

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    #2
    Iv'e been looking at that cap since you posted it, I don't think military, maybe an Airship (Zepplin) flight attendant? or pre 1933 volunteer auxillary group?

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      #3
      Naww--
      It's an old 1930's Coney Island hot-dog salesmans' hat from an outfit (Deutsch- Amerikanischer Frankfurter Bund) that went by the name of 'Blucher Boyz'! Just kidding--har har....
      It is a veteran organization cap.

      [ 14 August 2001: Message edited by: eric ]

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        #4
        What specific organization, what time frame?

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          #5
          Two bucks and a cookie riding on 1930s, US of A, something to do with Fritz Ku"hn and the Bund. (Although color seems to mesh, don't think it can have been the "Silver Shirts"--weren't those American-born fascists, not immigrants?) Between the ones who went back at the beginning of the war and the ones deported, wouldn't surprise me that's how it ended up back in the Reich.

          Since every square inch of Third Reich collecting has been under the microscope for donkey's years, betcha it's one of our very own neglected homegrown bunch of Wannabes.

          It's been years since I saw anything on TV, but next time History Channel or A&E pops up a special on these guys, watch color guards/bodyguards/various "branch" flunctionaries. I can picture old newsreel footage (No, I am not THAT old--neither is Histaria!) being on TV years ago of a big swastika flag raising at Yaphank, Long Island, and another of a Bund rally in Madison Square Garden. Little light bulbs of buried memory going ping ping on this one....

          [ 14 August 2001: Message edited by: Rick Lundstrom ]

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            #6
            If it came from a facist group, would'nt it display a swastika? From the pictures and films I've seen from the American Nazi party,they were in love with the twisted cross as much as their German brothers.

            [ 15 August 2001: Message edited by: JaimeH ]

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              #7
              You Guys,
              The fact that the cap does not have a swastika means nothing. There have been many German-American vet organizations in this country. Unfortunately the fact that we have fought two wars with Germany means that they quickly became unpopular during certain periods and things were thrown away or discarded. Before we entered WW1 the German community in America sent much aid to the fatherland. You can still find commemorative badges and tokens from time to time from this period. Same thing goes for the period before we entered WW2. Rick wins the cookie as far as I am concerned.
              I have seen ths emblem before and I believe it has to do with a German vet's group, but for the life of me I cannot come up with proof right now to substantiate this.
              Here is another example of a German American War Vet's paraphernalia--this one is for a veteran of the Franco-Prussian War. The top of the massive bar has the legend 'Deutscher Krieger Verein' with the area 'Seattle' below. The bars below say 'F.A.R. 19'--
              the medal on the left is for the 25. Jahr Jubilaum D. Wiederaufrichtung des Deutschen Reiches' 1870/71-95' and he cross on the left is a regimental cross. The ribbons consist of four separate pices sewn together. I have other German American veteran badges if anyone is interested...

              front:
              http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...077&p=52974758

              back:
              http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...077&p=52974791

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                #8
                I think its a pre-1933 issue of the inchoate DLV (Deutsch Luftschutz Verband) erhaps for wear by WW1 fleiger vets? Anybody want to call Neal O'Conner and ask?
                Cheers,
                JeMc

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                  #9
                  nope-I knew I had seen this before....

                  I was wrong above-NOT Luftschutz at all.
                  It's the side cap of the German- American Legion which had its convention in Boston in 1937.
                  Apparently the German and Austrian war vets Legion was very strong in Jamacia Plain and New Jersey.
                  Made up of immigrants, it's program was mostly in German.
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                    #10
                    Way to go! The answers are out there!

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