Just wanted some thoughts on this cross. Especially the reverse set-up, and the blob and ding. Any observations welcomed. I was thinking it looked as if it were converted from a screwback to a pinback...Thanks
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Another shot.Last edited by IMPERIAL QUEST; 10-31-2006, 04:34 PM. -
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Hi Steven,
Did you say battered or BATTERED ! Character is good, but this I think is extreme!!
Re the ding on the reverse, hard to image how it got there under normal circumstances. I'd hate to think it was due to a bullet. It does seem to correspond to the area of the missing obverse frame though. If it was a screwback, damage may also explain why the screw post was removed. Continuing along that morbid line though, WHY anyone would repair an EK after a fatal encounter is beyond me though. One thing that makes me question whether the stub represents a screwback is that there appear to be no circular scratching/rubbing on the reverse arms - in particular the 6 and 9 o'clock arms which appear unmessed with.
Regardlesss, it's an interesting cross with hand-made hardware.
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Mike, as always, your input is valuable. I noted the same as you about the ding corresponding to the missing frame and lack of circular marks. Concerning the reverse ding, It had crossed my mind that the poor fellow may have been riddled from the rear, and shrapnel may have penetrated through and through...very sad indeed. However, it perplexes me as well as to a conversion if this was the case. I guess it is possible that there may have been a leather spacer of some sort as I have seen on a few examples...Perhaps he survived, and wanted to continue to wear in the field??? Interesting piece.Originally posted by Mike K
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It does have character
I like it.
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Just a little update....I received the cross the other day, and tuns out that there is an "800" lying at the bottom of the dent...
Some one got carried away. Also, upon inspecting the blob in the middle, it does indeed appear to have been a central threaded post for a washer/nut. The cross is very. very hand vaulted-not factory vaulted. I'll post some good close ups in a day or two.
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Steven,
The fact that the crown is so high and that the stamp went so deep, could be because this is a thin stamped steel core. Instead of a cast core lying right against the silver there would be an air space. When the silver mark was struck hard there was nothing to stop the punch from creating a deep dent. Just a theory, but I bet I'm right.
Since part of the frame is missing can you take a peek? I love the cross too. It has that " been there, done that, wouldn't do it again" look 
of a scarred vet. I saw it on the dealers site and seriously considered it. 
Glad someone got it that appeciates it. Now that I know where to look I see the 800 mark too.
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Dan.....you are correct-a-mundo about the core.Originally posted by Daniel MurphySteven,
The fact that the crown is so high and that the stamp went so deep, could be because this is a thin stamped steel core. Instead of a cast core lying right against the silver there would be an air space. When the silver mark was struck hard there was nothing to stop the punch from creating a deep dent. Just a theory, but I bet I'm right. Since part of the frame is missing can you take a peek? I love the cross too. It has that " been there, done that, wouldn't do it again" look of a scarred vet. I saw it on the dealers site and seriously considered it. Glad someone got it that appeciates it. Now that I know where to look I see the 800 mark too. It is very thin, and I will make sure to catch that detail in the pictures that I take. Funny thing, I had never visited this dealers site or bought from them either, I just stumbled across it..and there this little jewel was. BTW, thanks for NOT buying it.
I know some may think I am crazy, but I would rather have this one than a mint example....
.I really wish she could talk...
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Here are some additional pics, up close....sorry..........I know these aren't the best quality.Last edited by IMPERIAL QUEST; 10-31-2006, 04:34 PM.Comment
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The lack of curvature to the arms, and the lifting of the frame at the center (more visible on the other side) tell me that this was hand vaulted.Last edited by IMPERIAL QUEST; 10-31-2006, 04:34 PM.Comment
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Here is what Dan was describing in an earlier post. The core is very thin indeed.Last edited by IMPERIAL QUEST; 10-31-2006, 04:34 PM.Comment
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