Juncker U-Boat Badge

[Jody]

Hi guys,
I have a question. Did Juncker make an Imperial U-boat badge?

By the way, I am back on the forum for a while. I have been very busy with work and my new home.
Regards,
Jody

[Gordon Williamson]

Jody,

Yes, Juncker definitely made the Imperial U-Boat Badge. Problem is the only documented examples of the badge known to be made by them was in the 1960s. Knowing that they used a lot of their old original dies to re-make stuff it is possible that they did actually make them in WW1, or equally that, as with the Ritterkreuz, they borrowed the Godet tools, made the badge and just stamped them as Juncker.
So, yes Juncker made the Imperial U-Boat Badge, but the big question still remains - when ?
On the subject, have you seen the article on the Imperial U-Boat badge which appeared in Patzwall's "Militaria" magazine back in 1995 ? I'm trying to track down a copy. This was before I started to subscribe. They had a recent follow up article which seems to suggest that it was indeed Walter Schott who designed the badge. That being the case, maybe the Schott examples are the first strikings ? Maybe the article will reveal all.

Just picked up another a little while back. Lovely piece, the scans don't do it justice. Nice deep firegilding in the recesses and highly burnished details. The style of pin though suggests a late 20s, or 1930s manufacture. I love these badges! Interesting that it seems to have a double forward mast, possibly caused by damage to the finishing die which voids the centra areas around the boat.

Gordon





[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Gordon Williamson ]

[Jody]

Hi Gordon,
Many thanks. To be honest, the ones I trust are the Schott pieces, the un-hallmarked examples and the piece with the strange maker mark that I have.

I have those magazines you mentioned and I will look to see if I have the one you need.

I think I have them boxed up with some of my old INFO mags and those old Militaria mags from the early 70's.
Regards,
Jody

[mott5ranch]

Ranger just bought one from Kai about a month ago. I'll see if I can post a picture of it later on when we all meet again.

[Greg S]

Mine is a schott piece, very nice and solid maker marked at the bottom. What happened to the schott maker after the war and why were they not present in WW2?

[Gordon Williamson]

I don't think Schott actually "made" anything. He was a famous sculptor/artist who designed the Imperial U-Boat badge (the mark fec. Walter Schott means created or designed by Schott) and the mark is similar to the "fec. Peekhaus" mark on 3rd Reich badges, identifying the designer.

Schott was born 1861 and died in Berlin in 1938.

Gordon

[Frank Heukemes]

as an addition to what Gordon pointed out correctly:

fec. is short for Latin "fecit" which means "made by" (always followed by a name). You can even find that on old oil paintings and other art.

Cheers, Frank

[Chris Boonzaier]

wouldnt "created by" be a better translation in this case? As the shortened version Fec. mostly refers to the designer of an award.

[Frank Heukemes]

sure, in this case it makes more sense to translate it with "created by". In this rare case the German language does not need hundreds of words to describe slightly different actions. In German, "fecit" would be "erschaffen von", which could mean both "created by" and/or "made by".

Cheers, Frank