whatdo you guys think of this 1813 ek1st?

[paddywhack]

just saw this on ebay,the guy wants £1500,im not buying it but i want to know if this is fake or not,

[paddywhack]

doh i forgot to add the number http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1060713529
and while im at it i am intrested in this peice what can you guys tell me about it? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1061383100
it seems to cheap for a imperial peice
any comment welcome

[Bill M]

--The 1813 1st does seem to be the piece from "The Iron Time", still...I personally wouldn't be comfortable with it for a few reasons.
--I'm not saying it is a fake, but I've been through the ringer (no loss of cash thank God, aside from evaluation and overseas shipping ) with both 1st and 2nd class `13's and from those experiences I would be paranoid that this is a VERY late piece (I'll only go for early issue).
--The core is smooth, not stepped (more a personal preference), modern-looking (late 19th/early 20th century) and pinback.
--I am suspicious of anything with a wide frame, a core that is not stepped and/or not properly pitted, bubbled or rough and on 1st classes - anything with a pin. Just MY paranoia, mind you.

[Doug See]

I've dealt with the seller and had a good experience. I don't doubt the piece is as he says it is. My belief is that it's a later-than 1813-15 issue, pretty much as the seller states.
My personal opinion on "stepped" cores is that they are a real plus on EK2's of the era when it comes to an indication of early issue. BUT, a lack of a stepped core does not necessarily mean that the piece is a repro or even a late 1800's piece. Looking at the info and photos in Bowen and in The Iron Time, as well as a couple of authentic 1813 EK1's I've handled, the early issues were not all made with stepped cores. It depended on the maker.
Also, there are 1870 and 1914 prinzen crosses which also have stepped cores, which indicates that it was possibly more a jeweler's feature than a positive indicator of age. Just my observations and opinions.

[ 13 January 2002: Message edited by: Doug ]

[George Stimson]

Hi Doug,
I too favor "stepped" cores in 1813 EKs. Here's my second class, another one of my pride and joys:


I'm beginning to think I'm never going to get a first class....

George

[Bill M]

Beautiful! I Love to see the good ones!