Ribbon identification??

[Gary B]

Hi,

This should be an easy one for you Imperial guys. I mainly stick with TR but this was a nice ribbon bar so I had to get it. I need to know what the 4th, 8th and 9th ribbons are. I believe they are Austrian and can be awarded with or without swords as I have the same ribbons on other bars with sword devices.

Any help appreciated.

Gary B

[Chris Wainwrigh]

#4 is Austrian, #8 is Hungarian, and #9 is Bulgarian.

[Chris Wainwrigh]

Here is my bar with the Austrian and Hungarian medals on it.

[Gary B]

Hi Chris,

Thanks. Do you know the names of the awards?

Gary B

[Tribley]

Shouldn't the Austrian ribbon be after the Anschluss ribbon or was the bar manufactured non-regulation to show that the wearer was Austrian?

The medals --

Austrian:

Kreigserinnerungsmedaille (War Commemorative Medal) Awarded to all who served in the First World War. This medal was instituted on 21 december 1932 and on 10 November 1933 gilt crossed swords were decreed. These were to be attached to the medal's ribbon for those who served under fire at the front, wounded and POW who had behaved with honour.
http://www.gwpda.org/medals/austmedl/austria.html

Hungarian:

Commemorative Medal of the World War. Awarded "with helmet and swords" to soldiers and other combattants or "without helmet and swords" to all other war participants or to the nearest relative of a soldier KIA. This medal was instituted on 26 May 1929 by the Regent, Admiral Horthy. The obverse shows the weapon shield of Hungary surmounted by a crown and, if so awarded, with swords underneath the shield. The reverse bears the text "PRO DEO ET PATRIA / 1914-1918" (for God and Fatherland 1914-1918) and, if so awarded, with a WWI helmet over the dates. In case of the award "without helmet and swords", the ribbon is white with green-red-white side stripes.
http://www.gwpda.org/medals/austmedl/austria.html

Bulgarian:

Commemorative Medal of the First World War. Instituted Dec 1933, Awarded to those who served in the First World War (Combatant or Non-Commanant) or Next-of-Kin of those who fell. It was also awarded to Bulgaria's allies in that war.
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4083

Here's my 57er Ribbon bar with all three medals:


http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=128871

-Jordan

[Gary B]

Dear Jordan,

Thanks for the information. I remeber reading somewhere that these were commemorative medals for WWI but I had no idea where I read this. I have seen the medlas and ribbons before.

As to your question, I agree that the Austrian ribbon should be after the occupation ribbon but that is the way the bar was put together, so your theory is probably correct (it is a sew on bar).

Very nice medal bar. That belonged to a guy with MANY years of service!

Gary B

[McCulloh]

The Austrian medal was moved up as per regulations following the Anschluss. It reflects "Ostmark" as a province, rather than Austria as a separate country.
See the ribbon bar article in the association area written by Rick L..
Interesting as it shows the bar was made between late 1938-45.

[Tribley]

I just noticed this bar in an old thread, owned by Rick -- Edit: posted a minute too late!



http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ead.php?t=7740

[Gary B]

Hi,

Thanks for the clarifaction on the precedence. I had read the ribbon article "moons ago" but did not remember that fact.

I posted 2 additional ribbon bars for identification in the TR section but havce had no luck, perhaps you guys might....last ribbon on this 6 place bar.

Thanks again!

Gary B

[Gary B]

2nd ribbon id??

[McCulloh]

Hee hee
I'm chasing you around the site-
The first one is the Rumanian Order of the star. Nice officers' bar.

[Gary B]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks again ref the identification...I just saw your posting in the other section! I do need to get a ribbon book for Imperial. I had to get that ribbon bar just because of the foreign award, even though I had no idea what it was!

Oh, I noticed you are local; I am in Woodbridge, VA. Perhaps we will bump into one another at a show. I heard that there is a Pikesville show today.

Gary B

[landsknechte]

2nd ribbon id??

Looks like the Third Reich era Fire Brigade cross:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...06&postcount=8

--Chris

[Gary B]

Chris,

Thanks. Would it be placed so hig in the precedence then? I would thing that it would be much lower in precedence.

Gary B

[landsknechte]

Chris,

Thanks. Would it be placed so hig in the precedence then? I would thing that it would be much lower in precedence.

Gary B

I'm not entirely sure. I haven't been able to find any specific references as to where it would have gone, and I haven't seen enough of these in circulation as to have much of a mental picture as to any trends. I would assume that it would go between the long service ribbons and the flower wars, but that's just a guess. There's a possibility that it's something else, but I haven't a clue what, if not the fire brigade decoration.

--Chris