Übergrösse ????

[gregM]

Can someone please tell me what " Übergrösse " means?
thanks,
Greg

[non-soli-cedit]

hello greg.
übergrösse means " itis greater than normal" . it often using for EK2 which are greater than normal.
best greetings
rene

[medalnet]

or for those who like McDonalds: "super sized"

[gregM]

Thanks guys for the help.
I can not read German but I do recognise some words. I am assuming that when this is used as a description in an Ek that it probably means one that is TR sized.
Like the one posted earlier by Anthony.
"supersized" I like it!!

[joe campbell]

oversized.

generally used in relation to a run of early
1939 production crosses which looked to
all the world like a regular '39 EK 2.
they
were, however, ~48 mm in height and width,
rather than the standard~ 44 mm.

thus, ubergrosse.

joe

[Biro]

Greg

Übergrösse pieces also crop up in Imperial form in both 1st and 2nd class (which I presume is why you've posted the question here and not ...'there'...) but they are only marginally larger than a normal 1914 EK1 or 2.

Standard for an Imperial Übergrösse appears to be 44.5 mm (roughly 1 or 1.5 mm bigger than 'normal') whereas the Third Reich equivalent are closer to 3-4 mm bigger than the standard 2nd class counterpart... a visually perceptable difference even without a side by side comparison. Much like the Third Reich version, they are not a particularly well made item.

Weitze routinely offers Übergrösse EK's, they are consistantly one piece non magnetic, but vary slightly in core and pin detail indicating more than one maker.

Why they exist and if they are actually Imperial era manufactured items, I have no idea. The arm curvature is not indicative of the era of manufacture either, as they appear to share both T/R and Imperial style curvature depending on the maker.

Here are a couple of "Übergrösse" Weitze is currently offering that illustrate that....

Marshall

[gregM]

Marshall,
Thank you I have been looking at Weitze's site and I recently saw one on
German ebay that interested me. But not being able to read German, I did not really know what was being sold.

Thank you all for the help !!

[Tony & Kaiser]

Here is one I posted a while back. Here it is compared with a standard KO EK2. Both EK are 43 mm square, but the arms on the Y flair out to a whopping 25mm.

<img src="http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ek/ek35e.jpg">

[gregM]

Tony,
Is the beading wider than the standard EK or is the one pictured a wide frame style? It looks like the flat outer edge is much wider than that of the standard.
Kind of like this 1870

[Tony & Kaiser]

I would say the beading is the same as a standard EK but the frame is very wide. This one came with the paper packet marked to the same "Y" maker.


<img src="http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ek/ek35a.jpg">

<img src="http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ek/ek35d.jpg">

<img src="http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ek/ek35c.jpg">

[Eric Stahlhut]

Oversize

The one to the right is marked "B" on the ring.