wiederholungsspange 1914-1870

[George Stimson]

What's "a little to frequently" about one appearing?

[Biro]

What's "a little to frequently" about one appearing?

Nothing I guess...

I just thought I'd try and pick the ebay one up to study it because I can't afford this one.. http://www.militariaweb.com/auction_...tionID=4991103

Marshall

[epsomgreen]

I thought it might be of interest to toss my Wiederholungßpange into the analysis. Having studied this thread, and scrutinized my example, I can say the pebble pattern matches that of Joe and Marshall's.



Although attempts to photograph it proved unsuccessful, the back of the Spange is also marked Joh.Wagner & Sohn (with a line below featuring a Crescent Moon, Crown, and 800) Berlin. W (my italics). Furthermore, the ribbon clasp is marked 800, which I was able to photograph.



Should anyone require additional pictures, I will do my best to oblige.

Regards,

Charles

[epsomgreen]

I made one final attempt to photograph the reverse of my Wiederholungßpange. This is the best result I could achieve.



Regards,

Charles

[Daniel Murphy]

Charles,
The piece appears to me to be a repaired original. There seems to be a "tab" attached to the bar backer, that is folded in and soldered to the back of the WHS. That there is just a generic 800 stamped on the backer is also indicative of the fact that this was not done by Wagner. Perhaps it was a 2 pin originally and one or more pins broke off. This "tab" would cover where the pins had been. IMHO, this would show it was used, not just sat in a jewelers bin until the GI's showed up to loot it in 1945.
Dan Murphy

[epsomgreen]

There seems to be a "tab" attached to the bar backer, that is folded in and soldered to the back of the WHS.

Hello Dan:

Thank you for looking. I examined the Spange beneath a magnifying glass and a half circle tab is discernible at both ends. However, these attachments are flush with the surface of the WHS. My best guess is that the reverse of the WHS has recessed joints to facilitate this. If this does represent a repair, it was certainly a labor intensive one.

Peculiar.

Charles

[Biro]

Thanks Charles - and yes, the pebbling characteristics of yours do match mine and the other members examples I have catalogued exactly.

Also helpful if you can manage it would be a picture of the areas shown by Brian in posts 39 - 41..... and confirmation that the makers mark/silver stamp (or what you can see of it) appears to match exactly the one I've shown in post #23.

regards

Marshall

[Biro]

And while I'm here....

I'll put the call out again for any members who own a Wagner & Sohn marked WHS that does NOT (repeat... NOT) have matching pebble cofiguration in the areas I've previously highlighted to post there's here, or send me a PM.

cheers

Marshall

[epsomgreen]

Also helpful if you can manage it would be a picture of the areas shown by Brian in posts 39 - 41..... and confirmation that the makers mark/silver stamp (or what you can see of it) appears to match exactly the one I've shown in post #23.

Hello Marshall:

Regarding your request, this is about the best I can do. The edges of the WHS exhibit the shear marks photographed and described by Brian.



Now for the part that may give you a headache. The maker's mark is almost exactly the same as yours. The spacing between Berlin. and W appears slightly wider and there is no period after the W.

Regards,

Charles

[Biro]

....Now for the part that may give you a headache. The maker's mark is almost exactly the same as yours. The spacing between Berlin. and W appears slightly wider and there is no period after the W. .....Charles

Thanks a bunch Charles!!

I noticed that odd spacing between Berlin & W.... but not the missing 'period'.

The plot just thickened immeasurably....

I'm working on makers marks at the moment - most of the images I have on file are from members who have posted them here over the years, and range from great to hardly usable... but I'll see what I come up with.

I 'won' the ebay bar ... so hopefully I'll have another one in hand again before too long.... and I'll keep my eye open to see if the same seller comes up with another one in an unseemly short period of time.

I'll keep you and the guys posted if I find out anything interesting... providing I recognise it as 'interesting' in the first place.

I'm no Dietrich!!..

Marshall

[Blitz]

Ahha! Here is yet another set.. I'm interested know what you guys think about it..

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