wiederholungsspange 1914-1870

[esquiroz]

Hello all,

Culd you be so kind and post some pictures of your wiederholungsspangen? I would like to compare them with the one I want to buy. Could you also please tell me what the normal price would be?
Regards
carlos

[gregM]

Be very carefull there seem to be an awful lot of these floating around considering there were only 869 officially awarded. And some of the fakes are good.
Type in "wiederholungsspange" in the search feature and you will find many good examples.

Greg

[Brian S]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...rholungsspange

Some less plentiful than others though Greg.

[George Stimson]

Here's mine. (It's not in the other thread.)

[George Stimson]

Reverse. You can see the maker's details peeking out from under the attaching bar.
(The only example of this bar that I've ever seen in an EK reference work that did not match this one is the example shown in Geissler's book.)

[gregM]

George, Yours is the only other one I have seen (Besides mine) that has the makers mark under the attachment bar.

[Biro]

..The only example of this bar that I've ever seen in an EK reference work that did not match this one is the example shown in Geissler's book...

Then you're not looking nearly hard enough George!...

This dosen't include the picture of the Geissler example, which sadly I don't have.


Marshall

[Biro]

George, Yours is the only other one I have seen (Besides mine) that has the makers mark under the attachment bar.

Greg

Mine was marked on the attachment bar AND underneath on the back of the WHS itself. A double marked piece which you can see here... 1870 EKII bar


Due to the fact that I could pick one up now on ebay that matched mine, I chose not to own it anymore...

Marshall

[Blitz]

This award in particular is a veritable minefield for a collector. I damn near bought an fake myself over a year ago. If you find an original, that is, one you can be sure of, the price should be around 500 euros or more. I've only seen a couple original pieces for sale and sadly that was before this clasp was on my "GET IT NOW" list.

[George Stimson]

Marshall

"Then you're not looking nearly hard enough George!..."

I said, "That I've ever seen...." What's the source of those pics? I'm not familiar with them. (And can you provide some context?)

[Brian S]

I too would like to know the source, very inclusive, so to speak! Which is good for Brian and George.

I also have to say I have disagreed with the experts on excluding the possibility of a Widerholungs. with the spiked back. It made perfect sense to me that someone with a medalbar would have purchased the piece so it could more easily, or should I say totally easily, attach to the medabar without loosening backing and ribbon to loop it throughy the bar.

But, these guys have seen many bars float through their hands from vets, so I'll leave the conclusions to those people.

[Biro]

.....What's the source of those pics? I'm not familiar with them. (And can you provide some context?)

Sure!

In the order they are posted, the first 2 WHS are from page 54 and page 56 respectively of Heyde's 'Preussen-Sammlung Max Aurich 1813 - 1870'.... the 3rd friom Gordons book page 28 (which I think is probably a match for yours, where the crown sits on a little pedestal) and the 4th from Previteras book, page 183.

Not sure what I can provide in the way of context, but let me make it quite clear that I cast no aspersions on anyone elses piece, nor do I trust solely the negative judgement of any expert opinion (although in my case, I can't say that was exactly GOOD news..). I simply came to my own conclusions based on the total over-exposure of a piece I am lead to beleive was 'awarded' in the very high hundreds.

Yours, mine, Brians.... they all may be minutely different (and probably are)... That alone could be the difference between good and bad... but until I know exactly what I should be looking for, I'm afraid I have to preface the piece I chose to return, with 'Jury' and 'Out'..

Maybe you could post the Geissler piece? - I've not seen it.

regards

Marshall

[George Stimson]

Here is Geissler's obverse.

[George Stimson]

And here is the reverse.

[George Stimson]

But to tell you the truth, I'm not convinced that these two pics are of the same bar. There are proportion problems that seem apparent when you view the pics side by side. (Excuse the fuzziness on the extreme left. It's hard to cram the book into my scanner! ) Compare the widths (tops to bottoms) of the bars. Then compare the distance that the crosses extend above and below each bar. The widths of the bars are different in the pictures, but the amount of distance that the crosses extend above and below the bar appears the same.