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**Daniel Krause** · 10-26-2002, 03:55 PM

Oh Gott!

The originals had just a smooth obverse, the crown, leaves and the year is only shown at the 1870 and 1914 ones!

Best regards

Daniel

**Dez H** · 10-26-2002, 05:54 PM

Nope sorry this is all wrong, a very obvious fake. The reverse is nothing like what I would expect on an original and the obverse, as stated by Daniel was blank.

Regards

Dez

**Stephen Previtera** · 10-26-2002, 08:18 PM

Sad

Complete Fake. You are looking at the reverse of a 1914 EK. II placed into a 1914 EK. I Frame. Only it is backwards in and of itself as there was an unfinished obverse to the 1813 EK. I. It might as well be upside down and backwards. As the previous gentlemen stated, an obvious fake. But what is sadder is the guy trying to peddle this piece.
Stephen

**Frank Heukemes** · 10-27-2002, 07:26 AM

Well, to his defense, he says at least "I do not know if this is original or not that´s why I start with 1 Euro, decide yourself".

If somebody is dumb enough to bid a premium price after that description, I would say "well deserved".

Cheers, Frank H.

**Bill M** · 10-27-2002, 09:39 AM

--I'd take it for one Euro, it's probably worth at least ten.

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