Imperial badge

[mark99995]

Hi there,

that was classified as a fake ... do you see it that way?

Thanks


Mark

[mark99995]

pics

[jaba-the-hunt]

This piece was also posted time ago.
This is more difficult because there is no Maybauer hollow navy observer known. The design suppose to be a Maybauer piece but the pin does not match. Hinge might be correct for this maker.

I know only one hollow Maybauer navy see pilot badge that I had in my hands and looked authentical to me. THis had the typical Maybauer hinge and pin combination and a nice authentic gilding.

But with all of these badges a judgement is only as good as the material that was inspected is. I can remember on the last to pictures not on the others.
The close-ups looks promissing but the details are not very deep and the gilding is a bit odd.

Kind regards
Alex

[jaba-the-hunt]

Do you removed the old threads from SDA?
I pretty sure that both badges were posted on SDA some time ago. I loathe if posts are deleted because of desagree with the content.

Kind regards
Alex

[Ferg 1]

I have a Meybauer hollow marine observer in silver
Ferg

[mark99995]

Hello Alex,

stay relaxed ..... the pictures have not been published in the SDA because I appreciated your opinion at the time. I emailed you the pictures of the badges at that time (30.09.17). Your tendency was towards fake at the time ... and that was enough for me and I saw no need to publish the badges in the SDA, because so far everything was clear at first.

OK ?

Regards

Mark

[jaba-the-hunt]

I have a Meybauer hollow marine observer in silver
Ferg

You mean a hollow plated. But a hollow one piece I never seen before.
I'm interesting to hear your oppinion too.

Kind regards

Alex

[jaba-the-hunt]

Hello Alex,

stay relaxed ..... the pictures have not been published in the SDA because I appreciated your opinion at the time. I emailed you the pictures of the badges at that time (30.09.17). Your tendency was towards fake at the time ... and that was enough for me and I saw no need to publish the badges in the SDA, because so far everything was clear at first.

OK ?

Regards

Mark

Sorry Mark. My memory is getting worse.
THis is not easy to say. I'm still undecided.

Kind regards
Alex

[Ferg 1]

My hollow marine observer for comparison . Meybauer
Ferg

[Ferg 1]

To me the first badge posted looks correct . I have seen perfectly original Meybauer badge without the characteristic pin set up ,admittedly not common but out there for sure .
Ferg

[jaba-the-hunt]

Dear Fergus,

I'm still not 100% convinced but like I wrote it looks promissing.
I'm not only aware about the pin also the gilding and material seems uncommon to me. I would not buy the badge without guaranty or before I would hold it in my hands.

Kind regards
Alex

[Hagrid]

There it is again - my old semantic problem:
I never seem to know what are the proper terms in english
German: hohl geprägt (transl.: hollow die struck) English: cliché style (?)
German: hohl verbödet (transl.: hollow with bottom) English: hollow (?) or hollow plated
(plated in German would be more for the finish - like "gold plated")

The threadstarter would be a hollow one (german definition), which is highly unusual for a Meybauer naval badge
Ferg tells us about his hollow one (english definition) and shows a piece with a bottom ...

Or did I miss the proper english term for the examples with the weep-holes ?

Time to agree on a basic vocabulary that might aid a proper discussion, imo...

regards
Hagrid