Armband WW1

[DTVPKING]

Hello. What do you think about this armband, good or fake?
If ok, what could be the price for it?

http://imageshack.us/f/860/t2ec16dhjhqe9nzezprbps3.jpg/
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http://imageshack.us/f/37/t2ec16jhjf0e9nmfqhirbpt.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/853/t2ec16vhjie9qso8w7mbps6.jpg/

[leibregiment]

Sorry bad ebay fantasy piece

[Sergeant 08]

Hello. What do you think about this armband, good or fake?
If ok, what could be the price for it?

http://imageshack.us/f/860/t2ec16dhjhqe9nzezprbps3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/20/t2ec16nhjf0e9nmfqitbps9.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/37/t2ec16jhjf0e9nmfqhirbpt.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/853/t2ec16vhjie9qso8w7mbps6.jpg/

These strange looking pieces appear regularly on ebay.

[Brian L.]

These strange looking pieces appear regularly on ebay.

As I understand it, these armbands were supposedly worn by auxilliary guards at concentration camps.

They have nothing to do with the Freikorps.

[Sergeant 08]

As I understand it, these armbands were supposedly worn by auxilliary guards at concentration camps.

They have nothing to do with the Freikorps.

The skull looks more like from a cartoon. Pokemon!

[Brian L.]

Here is a different one with a similar type skull and Nazi eagle stamp worn by a Jewish (denoted by the yellow triangle) KAPO. As I mentioned before, as I understand it, the black armband was worn by auxilliary guards, perhaps recruited from non-Jewish prisoners or local population.

A somewhat unsavory artifact.

[marksmilitaria]

The 2 armbands just below are 100% crap/fantasy. Come on, you know better than to spit out some KAPO guard concentration camp garbage.

[marksmilitaria]

As I write this, there are 3 of these exact same armbands at a local antique mall booth, $40.00 each. 2 are the black ones, the other the striped POS.

In earlier posts of these (earlier I mean several years ago on other forums. they were I.D. as Italian Black Shirt Guard armbands(the black ones)

[juoneen]

I recall years ago seeing one of these (the black one) supposedly brought back by a vet and ended up in a collection where the collector who purchased it from the actual vet had passed away suddenly,and a dealer in antiques from breckenridge ended up with it, but it was much different in quality , materials,workmanship,also dimentions(was also very pricey) , and the seller even had an armband book with it shown as authentic(as the other guy stated), but The chances of finding an original of this type is slim to highly unlikely now days ,since they fake these heavily now . This one appears to be a repro IMO, and personally I would pass. Sarge's comment , even if in fun, reminds me of a comment on a pp skull ring I got in the 70's from a vet that brought it back himself, and the comment was "the skull doesn't look scarey enough to me to be original" when it was later verified as totally original and was romanian marked. I already knew it was good as the vet I bought it from sold it for peanuts ,but, so many times people are fooled by things people think ARE original and are really fakes, and things thought to be fakes are really originals. Only an advanced armband collector with decades of experience would be able to speak on the finer points of this type of band. With all the repro manufacturers who use the waf to fine tune their crapola, I wouldn't publicly post those differentiations here. That is something that shoud be done in person, and one like this held in hand side by side next to an original for a private education as to those differences.

[Sergeant 08]

Sarge's comment , even if in fun, reminds me of a comment on a pp skull ring I got in the 70's from a vet that brought it back himself, and the comment was "the skull doesn't look scarey enough to me to be original" when it was later verified as totally original and was romanian marked.

I can confirm, that there are many, many strange looking pieces with very ugly skulls out there. And not all of them are fakes. That's correct! But it also exist so many fakes with really funny skull designs. Sometimes it is worth the time to find out more informations about an item and sometimes it is not....

PS: I think in the SS forum it is a thread about funny skulls, isn't it?

[Brian L.]

The 2 armbands just below are 100% crap/fantasy. Come on, you know better than to spit out some KAPO guard concentration camp garbage.

I'm not claiming these pieces are original. Just that the design is original as far as I know and not a fantasy.

But, I'm no expert on this material, have no interest in it or for that matter, anything else to do with the Third Reich.

[Sergeant 08]

I'm not claiming these pieces are original. Just that the design is original as far as I know and not a fantasy.

But, I'm no expert on this material, have no interest in it or for that matter, anything else to do with the Third Reich.

Do you still remember, where did you find the information that the design is original? Photos?

PS: No Freikorps, but in most auctions with such armbands, you can read the wrong description Freikorps.

[Brian L.]

Do you still remember, where did you find the information that the design is original? Photos?

PS: No Freikorps, but in most auctions with such armbands, you can read the wrong description Freikorps.

I heard the information first about 25 years ago from a well-respected dealer in the US. when I saw the striped armband at the Max Show and wondered what it was.

I've seen the information somewhere online several times as well and am trying to find the websites again.

I got the pic that I used for comparison from a Russian site called uBay. It's proably a fake. But, I've always believed that the design and attribution were correct. Just that proably all the ones on the market aren't legitimate.

Here's the link.

http://ubay.ws/German-WW2-Armband-wo...uction_details

And, I just found this one on iOffer (another garbage site). But, it claims the same thing.
Either it's a myth that's growm and been perpetuated for many years. Or, the identification, at least is real.