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    #16
    Ghosts in the glass... spooky!

    Nah, Ritter von Epp was more... constipated looking. Like Ludendorff.

    Days I sat. sat I days. Days... paging back and forth in the @#@%&&^% Prussian award rolls for:

    Red Eagle Order 2 with Cabbage & Xs, Prussian Crown Order 2 with Star Xs, to match up with holders of the

    Pour le Merite.

    From those weathered, Montana rancher cheeks and baleful "Epp" gaze, my first thought was Freiherr von Lüttwitz-- but that was whilst I was derailed trying to make this a POST-1918 snap. It ain't.

    So there I was, buried in the @#%***^$# Prooshun award rolls. No *&%@$%%# first names, no @#^***%#@@ units. You guys have any CLUE how many COUSINS served in the German military, all the same rank?


    And every one of them had to be checked against the much nicer PLM rolls so often published, so rarely illustrated.

    THEN, have "narrowed" down to SEVERAL DOZEN possibles, I had to go sit and work my way through the 1914 Rangliste, checking against the PRE-war stuff:

    Prussian Red Eagle 4 with Crown, Prussian Crown 3, Prussian Long Service, 1897. Naughty man still wearing his big Old Style bar of 1914-15 with his EK2, even with a steel helmet on (a first for this combo, in all the pix I've ever seen).

    Typical "Oberstleutnant" medal bar combination, for our Generalmajor.

    BUT... he was also a Commander grade Knight of the Prussian Johanniterorden. A Protestant von Somebody.

    Like that reduced my Short List.

    But I found A match. A single match. Could it be? was it really?

    Only Glenn could confirm that winsome face! And, sure enough, so he did.

    Here's our heavily armed General in happier days, peacetime, 1914:

    (My thanks, always, to Glenn, my his library shelves never sag! )

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      #17
      Matched from the awards... matched from the rank...





      matched from the face:


      © Karl-Friedrich Hildebrand and Christian Zweng, "Die Ritter des Ordens 'Pour le Mérite' des Ersten Weltkriegs," Band 1: A- G, Biblio Verlag, Osnabrück, 1999 (God bless 'em and keep those titles coming out! )
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        #18
        Going throught the PLM list theonly Frenchish name is Generalleutnant Martin Chales de Beaulieu (1857-1945) All I can find is that he was born in Brandenburg (that's in France, isn't it? and commanded the XIV. Armeekorps. From the one other pic I could find the nose and jaw seem to match, sorta.
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          #19
          Mais non! But 'e eez anodder wonna dose Huguenots, oui oui.

          Born 7 November 1860 in Danzig, died 26 April 1950 in Ehningen, Kreis Böblingen.

          Sekondelieutenant 12.2.81
          Premierleutnant 20.9.90
          Hauptmann 15.11.94
          Major 22.11.08
          Oberstleutnant 17.9.09
          Oberst 22.4.12
          Generalmajor 27.1.15
          Generalleutnant 18.8.18
          char. General der Artillerie aD 27.8.39

          He rotated through a number of Field Artillery regiments before ending up as CO of Baden Feldartillerie Regiment 14 just before the war, with a Red Eagle 3 with bow that disappeared for his 2nd with Cabbage and Xs. I'm surpised he was still wearing his 1914/15 ribbon bar, since his Crown 3rd also should have gone poof (more on that anon).

          Baden Order of the Zähringen Lion-Commander 2nd Xs 30.8.14 (he's wearing "pure Prussian only" in his photo)

          Red Eagle 2nd with Oakleaves Xs 24.5.17

          Crown Order 2nd with Star Xs 11.9.17 (as a single award-- I never realized that this "together" was made as often and AFTER a Red Eagle, but there was no other grade a Generalmajor could get. Possibly, because he skipped the grade 2nd Class to go to 2nd with Star, he might not have had to give up his 3rd Class, but I think he was just wearing an outdated and so incorrect ribbon bar).

          Pour le Merite 20.1.18

          Oakleaves to Pour le Merite 5.10.18


          so... this photo dates between 20 January (PLM) and 18 August (promotion to Generalleutnant) 1918.


          Main command after leaving Baden FAR 14 was as

          Commander, 221st Infantry Division 28 September 1916 to 23 December 1918.

          Briefly commanded 3rd Division beginning of 1919, then ended his acreer as Commander of 4th Division (Grenzschutz Ost) 23.6.19-2.3.20




          His name?



          Oh yes!


          Siegfried von La Chevallerie.

          Not EXACTLY a "household name." But an extremely well decorated obscure general, with all that...


          from a properly (exhaustively and exhaustingly ) researched completely anonymous photograph. I "had" him, from his awards, but confirmation came from Glenn's Pour le Merite winners' biographies volume 1. Hard work in the Original Primary Resources Mines AND international "networking" paid off with accurate results derived from experienced knowledge and educated good judgement.

          Now if we just knew the name of that restaurant...

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            #20
            Hello
            Rick, congratulations. As usual, a truly wonderful identification process.
            For what it's worth (i.e. nearly nothing), 1 KC holder also bears this protestant name (probably huguenot people who emigrated to Germany during the Religion wars in 16th Century)
            This is :
            Oberst CHEVALLERIE (v. la) BOTHO (01/08/1898-15/11/1943)

            2 other KC holders bears very similar name
            CHEVALLERIE (v. der) HELMUT (?-01/06/1965)
            CHEVALLERIE (v. der) KURT (23/12/1891-18/04/1945) : this latter one was also awarded the Oakleaves.

            Thanks again
            Denis

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              #21
              Good stuff Rick! Must be a real kick to be able to figure out who the unknown really is! I was not even close!! LOL Mike

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                #22
                Heh Rick, isn't this a photo of the same guy?
                http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=36048

                Dan Cole

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                  #23
                  That's the ever jocular Nazi Reichsstaatshalter of Bavaria, Ritter von Epp, with his usual "waiting for a successful bowel movement" expression!

                  I think Siegfried was MUCH less scary looking... if you can try not to think of him leading a charge with that hunting cutlass in his teeth!

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                    #24
                    Ah yes, the 'obscure well decorated not a household name Prussian general with oakleaves'...

                    It's just about impossible to match from a photo as so many of these guy's photos do not exist in any public domain that is easily accessed.

                    You guys did a good job and it shows just how difficult that job is to make a final match.

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