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    #31
    Hello "Eagle Eyes" Rick, (Had to do it).

    Good job mate. You are I believe, spot on.

    In fact, speaking of Eagles and Eagle symbols, the East German Government was so opposed to them that they even went so far as to remove the Eagle Wings from the Staff being held by the Goddess of Peace, which is part of the Quadriga (4 horse drawn Chariot) atop Brandenburg Gate(Brandenburger Tor).
    They have since been reinstalled, along with the Cross that was removed at the same time from inside the wreath atop the Staff.

    It is indeed ironic, as you have so astutely observed, that they permitted these Eagle Heads to remain on the Schellenbaum's in use in their military bands. I have to believe that reverence for these unusual instruments took precedence and they opted not to risk destroying them, beyond the removal of Werhmacht (Faschism) emblems. Those eagles actually pre-date even the Weimar Republic, and perhaps the GDR knew that.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #32
      Very interesting and fascinating bit of information...Mike and Rick...
      Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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        #33
        Navy Schellenbaum

        In a recent trip to Germany I visited the German Naval Museum Near Stralsund and look what I found there! unfortunately they wanted to keep it!

        Thought it would be a worthy addition to this thread...
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          #34
          woaow !!!!!

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            #35
            Hey Dave thanks for bringing back this thread and showing another Schellenbaum.

            Question for you and the other forum members...Did the silver and bronze Schellenbaums have a meaning? Would there also be a gold Schellenbaum?
            Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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              #36
              Originally posted by Ralph Pickard
              Hey Dave thanks for bringing back this thread and showing another Schellenbaum.

              Question for you and the other forum members...Did the silver and bronze Schellenbaums have a meaning? Would there also be a gold Schellenbaum?
              is the Navy one from Stralsund not a gold one?? Cheers, Torsten.

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                #37
                btw, if anyone is interested and if you can read German, I just found this superb article about the military music in the DDR...all the orchestras listed, the instruments, number of members, etc....very comprehensive: http://www.blasmusik-sachsen.de/blae...artikel16.html

                Cheers, Torsten.
                Last edited by torstenbel; 08-05-2005, 06:07 PM.

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                  #38
                  David,

                  As you know, I have an "Unhealthy" thing for East German Schellenbaums.
                  So thanks for sharing the superb photo of what has got to be the most rare of DDR Schellenbaums - a Navy one.

                  Ralph, I think you need to adjust your color on your monitor. As Torsten pointed out, the Navy Schellenbaum that David posted a photograph of, is gold. Actually, now that you've brought it up Ralph, it is a bronze Schellenbaum that I have never seen. But I'm sure the very first ones used by the Turks of the Ottoman Empire were probably made of bronze.

                  Torsten,

                  That is a great web site you found, posted and shared with the rest of us. I added it to my favorites.
                  Thanks.
                  Michael D. GALLAGHER

                  M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                    #39
                    About the subject one brought up, that this schellenbaum could be a re-vamped TR schellenbaum.
                    This is all just a guess.. but as I think we all know, the eagle, Germanys national animal was abolished in the DDR. We don't see the eagle being used anywere in the DDR but on this schellenbaum we can clearly see two eagle heads. That makes me suspect that it's of wehrmacht origin. I'm rather drunk now so excuse me if my english makes no sense at all.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by David H
                      In a recent trip to Germany I visited the German Naval Museum Near Stralsund and look what I found there! unfortunately they wanted to keep it!

                      Thought it would be a worthy addition to this thread...
                      I'd love to see some more pictures of this museum, and even some more info on the place itself. I found little on the 'net after a brief search.
                      Thanks,
                      Eric Gaumann

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                        #41
                        I don't know if the Schellenbaums used by the DDR military bands are re-worked Wehrmacht Schellenbaums, or not? What I do know, is they all had eagle heads on the end of the crescent. I haven't seen a closeup photo of a schellenbaum used by military bands in Imperial Germany. I suspect, the eagle heads were on the crescents then as well. While East Germany refrained from association with anything remeniscent of the Wehrmacht due to its Fascist connection, they did borrow heavily from Germany's Imperial past, which to their way of thinking was permissable. This may explain the presence of the eagle heads on the crescents of the schellenbaums.
                        Michael D. GALLAGHER

                        M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                          #42
                          The NVA Schellenbaeume shown here look almost identical to the Wehrmacht Third Reich Schellenbaeume in a lot of details and I think it possible that some might have been converted from Wehrmacht stocks...why this would have been done, I do not know...but the similarities are just too great...Cheers, Torsten.

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                            #43
                            Members,

                            Simply the finest collectable of the NVA I have ever seen. Simply amazed that an individual has one.

                            Any idea of a price paid and how much it would go on the market?

                            Paul Heath

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                              #44
                              Recently I decided to investigate in what other countries the Shellenbaum were used. I learned that we here in Sweden also has one, which supposedly is a gift from the ottoman empire to Carl XII in the 18th century. It really looks a lot like the NVA (and wehrmachts?) shellenbaum.

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                                #45
                                Nice Picture.

                                The Schellenbaum as earlier noted in this thread, originated in the Turkish Ottomon Empire. Many of the schellenbaums originally used in the 18th and 19th Century in Europe were actually captured when the Ottomons were successfully pushed out of Eastern Europe. The two European countries that still continue to use them routinely, both in civilian and military bands, are Russia and Germany.
                                Michael D. GALLAGHER

                                M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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