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    #16
    Originally posted by John F.
    Michael: Thank you for that very detailed answer. Next question how was it played? It would look as if it was just shaken.

    John
    Hi John,

    The Schellenbaum wasn't actually played, and that is why it fell out of favor with most bands in the 19th Century in favor of the Lyar, which can be played. However, Germany kept it, because it is rooted in militarism, and it is the first thing you see at the head of any military band. It is a giant noise maker. As the soldier carrying it marches at the head of the band, the bells jingle (On there own). These instruments were meticulously designed so that the sound was melodious, and not annoying.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #17
      Originally posted by Panzer Fuehrer
      Hi John,

      The Schellenbaum wasn't actually played...These instruments were meticulously designed so that the sound was melodious, and not annoying.
      Merry X-Mas Michael,

      So I am assuming then it was like a giant hand held wind chime. Would have hate to have been the guy who had to carry it. By the looks of the carrying harness it looks like it was heavy.

      John

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        #18
        Re:NVA Schellenbaum

        Its very REALLY fascinating piece of German military band instrument!!!! I never saw this such rare musical instrument that used by East Germans up close!!!! I bet that its quite heavy to carry by a soldier during the parades. I would like to know its weight because its quite very HEAVY to carry during the parades. Thanks for David to provide the pictures of this NVA Schellenbaum! And thanks to Micheal(Panzer Fuhrer) to give the history of this fascinating traditional German Schellenbaum. Why do the modern Bundeswehr choose to continue the traditional Schellenbaum in parades today? Thanks,James(redjames)

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          #19
          A little followup to the absolutely stunning Schellenbaum (Jingles Johnny) posted by David.

          As stated previously, by the 19th Century, this unique instrument, which can trace its heritage and birthright to Turkish military bands of the Ottoman Empire, lost favor and was replaced by the Lyre. The German military adapted this musical instrument, but simultaneously continued use of the Schellenbaum. Here is a photo of an NVA Lyre:
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          Michael D. GALLAGHER

          M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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            #20
            And here is a photo (Dark Collar Era) of David's Schellenbaum in use with the NVA (Prior to the inception of the Friedrich Engels Wachregiment), in a parade in East Berlin.
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            Michael D. GALLAGHER

            M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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              #21
              Question

              Mike,

              Where did the foto come from? Can there be a book I don't have? Oh... World in turmoil.

              David,
              Though Michael would give you his first born... I would give you the planet Pluto.......and maybe Iraq. Are you interested? Mike

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                #22
                Hey Mike...thanks for more background information about the NVA Schellenbaum...or better yet educating me about the Schellenbaum. And the photo posting also adds to the thread...

                Question...after looking at Mike's photo he posted...How much does the Schellenbaum weigh???

                Again thanks goes to Dave and Mike on this thread...
                Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                  #23
                  Weight

                  The weight isn't too bad. it's 2 stone ( or 28lb or 12.7kg depending on your personal preference). The weight is misleading as after a while it seems to get heavier! and it is rather awkward to balance and carry!! very much an aquired art........

                  Musically it does it's own thing!!! Hell of a racket, bloody awful really!!

                  Thanks for all the offers I believe the bids are up to .... One wife , one,first born, 3 camels and a goat...... I'll give Iraq a miss , I hear the neighbours can be noisy!!

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                    #24
                    Hey David...thanks for the update about the weight...I also see what you mean about it also being akward. And kinda funny that musically it is doing its own thing while the rest of the band are attempting to make music...
                    Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                      #25
                      Once again it would appear that the DDR didn’t stray too far away from their ties with the Wehrmacht. Take a look at this Third Reich version of the same instrument. Minus the color, eagles and swastikas it’s the same oversized wind-chime.

                      Best,
                      John
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                        #26
                        I want to know who bid 3 camels and a goat? That is totally unfair.

                        Do you suppose the guy that had to carry David's NVA Jingling Johnny for endless kilometers while the band played on, stuffed his ears with cotton to deal with the nondescript jingling?

                        Hi John,

                        Nice Post. Haven't seen a Wehrmacht Schellenbaum in a color photo before. Impressive. Thanks for sharing that one. Clearly the TR and NVA are more than just a little similar.

                        Was that one in a museum somewhere?
                        Michael D. GALLAGHER

                        M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                          #27
                          Hey John and others who have inputted on this fantastic thread...just simply amazing that is all I can say...

                          Very nice...and thanks for sharing.
                          Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Panzer Fuehrer
                            A little followup to the absolutely stunning Schellenbaum (Jingles Johnny) posted by David.

                            As stated previously, by the 19th Century, this unique instrument, which can trace its heritage and birthright to Turkish military bands of the Ottoman Empire, lost favor and was replaced by the Lyre. The German military adapted this musical instrument, but simultaneously continued use of the Schellenbaum. Here is a photo of an NVA Lyre:
                            That Lyre is something I'm sure I've seen carried by Roman soldiers...

                            BTW, fantastic thread, I'm continually damned impressed by some of you folks and your collections!

                            I love this forum!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Kozlov
                              I love this forum!
                              Good job someone told you about it?

                              Have a great New Year Andy!

                              Cheers, Ade.

                              PS. Are you coming to 2nd Guards AGM at our house?

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                                #30
                                David -

                                After our conversation I just had to check the photos of your Jingling Johnny.

                                First of all, just let me say "wow"! I've never seen such close up shots of one before - it looks even more awesome than I had imagined.

                                Second, there is one thing I noticed that, to me, suggests strongly that this (or parts of it anyway) is a re-worked specimen from the NS Zeit. (I didn't read all the replies thoroughly so perhaps someone else has already picked up on this.)

                                Anyway, I noticed the eagle heads at the ends of the curvy crossbar (is that the Technical Name for it?? ) I have not seen eagles used anywhere in East German heraldry - must be too reminiscent of Imperial and NS imagery.

                                If this were created from scratch by the East Germans, I'd guess it would be Politically Correct and not be adorned with any "nasty" eagle images. Has anyone spotted eagles being used elsewhere in East German heraldry?

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