Warning: session_start(): open(/var/cpanel/php/sessions/ea-php74/sess_d17643add24a766b28609d848f3b335060997e3d176dc353, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) in /home/devwehrmacht/public_html/forums/includes/vb5/frontend/controller/page.php on line 71 Warning: session_start(): Failed to read session data: files (path: /var/cpanel/php/sessions/ea-php74) in /home/devwehrmacht/public_html/forums/includes/vb5/frontend/controller/page.php on line 71 Another Sanitäter helmet - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
Gielsmilitaria

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Another Sanitäter helmet

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Page of 2
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous 1 2 template Next
    #1

    Another Sanitäter helmet

    http://gowenmilitaria.com/Merchant2/...uct_Code=HEL38

    Has anyone found actual photos of these yet? I found the older thread started by Torsten with a Sanitäter helmet with a decal on the front. But this one supposedly has a reference. It's an awfully steep price for something that may not be legitimate.
    Tags: None
    #2
    The quote should be, "So scarce that most collectors do not know that they are probably a fabrication." Has anyone seen photographic evidence of these helmets being worn?

    Comment

      #3
      Originally posted by ehrentitle View Post
      The quote should be, "So scarce that most collectors do not know that they are probably a fabrication." Has anyone seen photographic evidence of these helmets being worn?
      Sadly never, and even in a Crate of 300 Helmets I didn't had a single, but several "KD" Para Helmets. I think the one in the "Z" Book is from me.

      Comment

        #4
        according to Bob Gowen it is documented in a book by Paulo Marzetti.

        I'm not familiar with this book so I don't know how good it is. I don't recall it being mentioned in Zoller but I'll have to take another look to be sure. On the other hand, Zoller is not perfect so even if it's not mentioned, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a fantasy piece.

        Comment

          #5
          I believe just about anything is possible in East German collecting and acknowledge there could be originals. However I'm a bit of a skeptic since these helmets seem to be showing up on E-bay with increased regularity in recent months. A potential sign that these are being put together by sellers to increase the value of an otherwise inexpensive helmet.

          Comment

            #6
            The only photographic "evidence" I've seen are the toy Sanitäter soldiers. It's interesting that they have the crosses on the helms.

            Comment

              #7
              Paolo Marzetti has written the most comprehensive helmet guide that I'm aware of, a milestone for helmet collectors around the world. The most recent edition is dated 2003. That said, the only place where I ever saw this type of M56 is ebay, and I never doubted of them being fakes... Perhaps one could write to Gowen and ask, without revealing the source, where he got it and how can he be so sure of its authenticity?

              Comment

                #8
                does anyone have this book to show a scan of the page with this helmet?

                Comment

                  #9
                  Originally posted by torstenbel View Post
                  does anyone have this book to show a scan of the page with this helmet?
                  Page 175. BY THE WAY, the decal on the one depicted on the book looks smaller than the one from Gowen...

                  Last edited by Drugo; 05-20-2013, 07:40 AM.

                  Comment

                    #10
                    the decal there with Gowen also looks pretty new. Of course, it is possible to buy Red Cross stickers and transfers fairly easily these days. Not accusing Gowen of anything here, but whereever he got the helmet from might know where to get Red Cross transfers from these days ........ Cheers, Torsten.
                    Last edited by torstenbel; 05-20-2013, 08:12 AM.

                    Comment

                      #11
                      Can't help me, but the Helmet Decal looks like the Medacal Cases Stickers to me. Like applied recently. The East Germans used to use Water Transfers and these are getting a bit yellow with aging as I observed on several Equipment.

                      Comment

                        #12
                        The DDR helmet with red cross on the book has a smaller transfer on the right side.I've not seen personally the helmet in use nor I've had on hand that helmet but simply I used the photo that kindly the owner sent to me. The
                        owner is quoted among the collaborators. Hard to know if East Germany used or not other types of transfers with different sizes. For what I know the helmet on my ELMETTI/Helmets is good like the one shown on Gowen. Other
                        transfers present on DDR helmets I've seen didn't show traces or shades of Yellow due to the aging. Cheers,PaoloM

                        Comment

                          #13
                          I have been going through my NVA photo books to see if I could locate any photographs of helmets with the red cross. I just went though my copy of the 1967 version of Soldaten Des Volkes, There are hundreds of photos of the helmet being worn, but unfortunately none with the red cross.

                          There are however some interesting photos of training at the Ernst-Moritz-Arndt-Universität Greifswald. One shows an unusual motorized medical evacuation vehicle and the other shows doctors receiving their diplomas in military medicine while wearing the steel helmet.

                          Comment

                            #14
                            I don't think that anyone has ever seen an NVA Stahlhelm with Red Cross decal. I have never seen one in any books or other period publications and I never saw one in the DDR and during my time in the NVA, as far as I recall, and I did see medics in the army. Although, it would make perfect sense to me for such a helmet to have existed, I do not think that it did. Only possible explanation that there was one would be that it was used by either the ZV or the DRK but not by the NVA. Also, if there was such a helmet for NVA medics then I would think that it would have been mentioned in the DV Bekleidungsvorschrift and as far as I know it is not mentioned anywhere.

                            Paolo, you may have to re-think the inclusion of this helmet for the next edition of your excellent book. Cheers, Torsten.

                            PS: Does your book include the plastic parade helmets of the NVA?

                            Comment

                              #15
                              I have some DRK and ZV Helmets, but they're shaped like the Standard Construction Workers Helmets and made of Plastic or Glass Fiber.

                              Comment

                              Previous 1 2 template Next

                              Users Viewing this Thread

                              Collapse

                              There is currently 1 user online. 0 members and 1 guests.

                              Most users ever online was 10,032 at 08:13 PM on 09-28-2024.

                              Working...
                              X