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    RE: Who wore those Paper Ribbon Bars?

    Who wore those confounded, really bad looking cheesy “Paper” ribbon bars?


    In 1956, the East German NVA made its appearance. Many officers and Senior NCOs transferred into the various military organs (Army, Air Force, Navy and later, Air Defense) of the newly formed NVA from the KVP and Polizei Organs of the DDR. With them, they brought their awards and decorations from these former para-military branches of DDR service.

    However, the NVA was quick to create its own awards, and these continued to grow throughout its short lived 34 year history. Initially, the ribbon bars for medals and orders received, followed the composition for that inherent to the KVP and Polizei. They were cloth, coated in clear plastic, fixed to brass bars – 4 ribbons to a bar. Multiple bars were soldered or welded to one another.

    However, as higher ranking officers began to accumulate more and more awards (and ribbons on their respective ribbon bars), a problem in weight was encountered, which began to announce itself in wear and tear, and discomfort, on the uniform Tunic.

    In 1975, the NVA instituted and authorized for wear a new type of ribbon bar comprised of paper ribbons encased inside a hard plastic container that was then fixed to brass holders, similar to the type used for the cloth ribbons. The first problem with this new change was that it did not encompass paper ribbons awarded to service members by other Warsaw Pact Members, such as Russia for example. This led to NVA service members engaging in enterprising and creative methods pursuant to construction of ribbon bars. The result is that there are an innumerable number of ribbon bar variants out there.

    The new paper ribbon type bar eventually suffered from the same problematic anomalies that initially lead to its inception – namely weight. With Generals such as KESSLER and HOFFMANN - who had no less than 52 ribbons, weight once again became an issue. A medal bar clip of 19 ribbons for example weighed approximately 65 grams.

    This was at least satisfactorily resolved and dealt with in so far as General Officers were concerned, with the reintroduction of cloth ribbons, this time left “Ala-natural” (No plastic coating or encasing); and affixed to a cloth backing of branch color, instead of the brass ribbon bars. Now, a ribbon bar of 21 ribbons weighed only about 20 grams.

    So, who wore those Paper Ribbon Bars?
    Would you believe Gen. HOFFMANN?

    Who’d-uh-thunk-it. Yes, even Gen. HOFFMANN, on at least one occasion, captured on film, wore the funky, cheesy paper ribbon bars. I suspect it was more a political gesture, done to encourage the transition from cloth to paper ribbon. He was meeting with Non-commissioned NVA Officers, and notably absent from his Tunic, are the two Ehrentitel "Held der DDR" medals always displayed, even when wearing a ribbon bar.
    Last edited by Panzer Fuehrer; 08-15-2004, 04:36 PM.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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    RE: DDR Ribbon Bar of the type initially used.

    Here is an example of the type of Ribbon Bar initially used. It is comprised of cloth ribbons coated in clear plastic and affixed to multiple brass bars soldered together. This one happens to be for a high ranking member of the East German Polizei.
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    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #3
      RE: Those nasty paper ribbons introduced in 1975.

      Here are examples of several paper type ribbon bars introduced in 1975, from various branches of service in the DDR:
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      Michael D. GALLAGHER

      M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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        #4
        RE: Cloth Ribbons re-introduced.

        Here is an example of the cloth ribbons (No plastic covering) on material backing, later used by Generals such as HOFFMANN and KESSLER (Yes, these are symbolic of his set) to offset the weight of so many awards and decorations:
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        Last edited by Michael D. Gallagher; 04-02-2005, 07:16 PM.
        Michael D. GALLAGHER

        M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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          #5
          RE: Who wore those cheesy plastic ribbon bars?

          Hard to believe, but even the likes of Gen. HOFFMANN, on occasion wore plastic ribbons. Who'd-uh-thunk-it?
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          Last edited by Michael D. Gallagher; 04-02-2005, 07:14 PM.
          Michael D. GALLAGHER

          M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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            #6
            Thank you Michael

            I've learned something new

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              #7
              Panzer Fuehrer...You for sure just educated me about the ribbon and paper ribbon history...thanks and I apperciate it...
              Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                #8
                If there exist WORSE, shoddier, LESS appealing ribbon bars than those of the DDR, I've never seen 'em.

                Apparently the intent was to ape the Soviet "D" profile solid clear plastic ones with PAINTED "ribbons" on the flat backing (for which see the various "Soviet ribbon bars" threads).

                I had a pile of fairly non-exciting DDR bars when everything fell apart and they were SO cheap and sleazy it is embarassing. The individual "ribbons" would slide around between the metal backing and the plastic covers, requiring disassembly to "flex" the "ribbons" a bit for a (hopefully) better "friction fit" in the needlessly complicated construction sandwich.

                With Design Geniuses like this at work on the minor, unimportant stuff-- it's no WONDER "building Socialism" did not work.

                Great thread!

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                  #9
                  Hi Rick,

                  Ha, ha, ha

                  I would argue though, that those plastic (very brittle) painted Russian Ribbons are a close second to the DDR stuff

                  Cheers,
                  Michael D. GALLAGHER

                  M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                    #10
                    The paper ribbon bars certainly wouldn't win the "blue ribbon" for beauty, that is for sure. Going by the appearance of these, one would hope a soldier wearing these wouldn't be caught in the rain, or else his ribbons would smear together like a rainbow gone wild.

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