Militaermusikschueler

[torstenbel]

I currently own a jacket that has:

- Unteroffizierslitzen/silver collar tresse
- cuffband Militaermusikschueler
- sleeve patch third year Militaermusikschueler
- it is professional NCO quality
- it has EM/NCO collar tabs

Everything is sewn in properly and not through the lining, etc.

Is this combination even possible? What are the regulations for Militaermusikschueler Third Year unifoms? Could these guys have an NCO rank while being students? Should it not have the Lyra collar tabs?

Could it be that this guy had already done service as an NCO before becoming a Militaermusikschueler?

How did people become Militaermusikschueler? How long did they serve for?

I find it difficult to find out anything definitive about them ...

Cheers, Torsten.

[Jan Klaassen]

I read, in an auction from bernhardtroeger (how reliable is that?) that from the 4th year on, students were allowed to wear normal collar tabs... So, according to HIS opinion, this would be wrong :O
There's a section on these uniforms in 'Uniformen der DDR', but it's not very extensive...

[uscob]

Interesting, because I allway's thought (Based on the Students Patches from 1-3 Years and References) that in the 4th Year they're Military Musicians and no Students anylonger. So I think Collar Patches and the Student's Title won't match.

[torstenbel]

Interesting, because I allway's thought (Based on the Students Patches from 1-3 Years and References) that in the 4th Year they're Military Musicians and no Students anylonger. So I think Collar Patches and the Student's Title won't match.

Hi Nico, I also think that theese don't match, but the jacket looks genuine and everything has been properly and professionally sewn in and I would not want to dismiss it until I know for sure .... so, still hoping that somebody out there knows exactly what the deal is with these. Cheers, Torsten.

[uscob]

Hi Nico, I also think that theese don't match, but the jacket looks genuine and everything has been properly and professionally sewn in and I would not want to dismiss it until I know for sure .... so, still hoping that somebody out there knows exactly what the deal is with these. Cheers, Torsten.

Even I can fix them Profesionally. I even use original NVA Thread for it and not some Drug Store stuff. I f I can't do it, my Mom will do so. Shes a Tailors Master for Costumes and Stage Design and works at the Opera. So this is no Evidence for an original or Professional work.
The Best was a guy several Years ago in my Shop, I showed him an Imperial Austrian Cap and he said that it is an original one, even the Stamps are in, so I didn't want to blame him as he was an expert on Imp.Austrians. But then I had to tell him that I made the Cap and a Friend the Stamps with some Potatoes.
The only Original was the Fabric (old Greatcoat) the Thread (maybe Civy but Period) and the Cap Badge. OK the Visor was Original too and came from a damaged but Civy Work Cap.

[Mike G.]

During a move, I once had a very valuable Dark Collar Tunic damaged. The cuff band and specialty patch were both partially ripped from the Tunic. A work colleague overheard me discussing my dilemma with some other colleagues and advised me she knew a professional seamstress that could repair the Tunic like new. I took a chance and money was at the time no issue. It was a rare Tunic and I was desperate to return it to its original state.
The seamstress removed the liner, completely removed the cuff band and specialty patch, opened the sleeve and then re-sewed the cuff band and specialty patch back into the sleeve. The sleeve was then re-sewn and the liner re-sewn. I don't care how expert you might think you are, I assure you, it is impossible to recognize a repair of any kind was ever made to this Tunic.

After having the uniform repaired, it became apparent to me that uniforms can easily be altered by a professional seamstress to be something that they in their original state never were, yet even so called "Expert Collectors" would not be able discern and recognize as "Altered".

Something to ponder .....