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    Color piped collar & cuff tabs after 1974

    Greetings to all,
    I am a new member and have been a DDR collector only since November. This forum has been an absolute goldmine for information! I'll soon post a few pictures of what I've gathered to date. Today I'd like to ask about something I would have thought to be commonplace: color piped collar and cuff tabs on enlisted ranks tunics after 1974 (5-button grey collar wool tunics). I have been looking, and looking for enlisted coats with Artillerie, Panzer, Nachrichten, Pionier or Rückwärtigerdienst collar tabs and to date have seen only ONE Panzer coat offered for sale. The seller assured me the cuff tabs were not stitched through the lining and that the lining was unaltered. I missed the sale because I was literally caught napping! I now own several dark collar coats of various services. They are commonplace by comparison. I have gray collared Fallschirmjäger, LV, LsK, (still looking for a Zivilverteidigung), Grenztruppen, Stasi Wach. Felix, etc., and bunches of unissued white-tabbed tunics I bought for cheap from SG. So why can't I find a simple Artillerie coat (that isn't a Sturm or collector assemblage)????? If anyone wants to show off their own I'd enjoy the view!
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    May I just clarify what you are looking for? A PLAIN- collar (as opposed to Dark collar) EM tunic with colour insignia (NOT white collar and cuff tabs)? Is that right?
    I would have thought that extremely difficult to come by, as it mixes the regulations up if you see what I mean. With 1974, the uniforms of the officers and professional NCOs were updated rather quickly (although there are transitional and obsolete items there too) and colour insignia (as opposed to the white ones) were still carried on service tunics, but the available evidence suggests that the parade tunics were updated earlier. For conscripts and short term NCO, we know that the dark collar tunics were still used for much of the 1970s. Towards the end of that decade, the practice was that dark collar tunics would be issued for service and plain collar ones for parade/going out. But by that stage the regulation certainly indicated that the bars at collar and cuffs had to be piped in white, and these were factory applied ones. There can always be exceptions, but I would regard a plain collar Filz tunic, with factory-applied non white insignia (collar and cuffs) as a bit of an oddity.

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      Plain collar Filz tunic

      Thanks for replying, this helps to sort things out for me. For reference I have a (digital) copy of the Walther books on insignia but not a book on uniform regulation changes.
      So, yes, I'm referring to "plain collar Filz tunics." For Soldaten auf Zeit, these would have been worn as 'Parade- und Ausgangsuniform' from 1974 onwards, yes? So in Walther Band 2 he says the Kragenspiegel piped in: rosa; ziegelrot; gelb; schwarz; dunkelgrün were worn by enlisted ranks on the Parade- und Ausgangsuniform from 1965-1979, and oliv - Bausoldat was worn from 1966-1990. This is why I was expecting to find plain collar Filz tunics (with or without parade cuff tabs) with color piped collar tabs.
      So the Dienstjacke for enlisted ranks, before 1974, was the dark collared Filz tunic without cuff piping. What was prescribed in regulations as the Dienstjacke for enlisted ranks (auf Zeit) after 1974?
      It's funny, back in 1977 when I was a collector of US WW1 material, I felt obliged to write and publish a "World War One Collector's Handbook" to sort out the regs and practices in that era. Now I'm wishing for a similar concise basic guide for this field.

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        Originally posted by nonobaddog View Post
        So the Dienstjacke for enlisted ranks, before 1974, was the dark collared Filz tunic without cuff piping.
        That was used much much earlier and it is a rare beast. At a guess I would say early 1960s or so.
        Originally posted by nonobaddog View Post
        What was prescribed in regulations as the Dienstjacke for enlisted ranks (auf Zeit) after 1974?
        Beginning from the mid-60s and -as stated earlier- continuing for most of the 1970s, each conscript would be issued with two tunics that were absolutely identical: unpiped at the collar but piped at the cuffs. The Parade/Ausgang one would have the cuff bars to distinguish it, whereas the Dienstjacke wouldn't. If you go for a late 1960s, early to mid 1970s period, even the Kragenspiegel would be identical.
        Then -as I was saying earlier- over the course of the 1970s the two tunics start being intrinsically different because the service one still has a dark collar, whilst the Ausgang one doesn't.

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