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    Erich Weinert Ensemble Cuff Title Question

    'nTag dear fellow forum-members!

    Today, a package arrived with in it, an Erich Weinert NCO Tunic.
    At least, that's what I hoped (and still hoping) it to be.

    Now my question is, even after looking up older threads on this subject, as follows:
    When it arrived, I turned the sleeve inside-out immediately, and spotted right away that the seam of the lining had been opened up and stitched again. I'm not sure exactly how long this part of hand-sewn lining actually is, because only about 10 centimeters really look strange, the rest looks good. Besides that, the inside hasn't been tampered with.
    The outside looks ok. The entire cuff title is placed 13cm from the bottom of the sleeve. It looks machine-stitched.
    So, could this be a 'put-together' one? Could one put the entire cuff title on by making a 10 centimeter hole in the lining?
    Or, would it be possible that a normal NCO tunic was upgraded to an EW tunic (when it's owner got into the ensemble) during the 80's?

    Thanks in advance

    ps: I'll try to take pictures tomorrow if necessary! Plus, I would really like your opinions on this matter, as I could perhaps still get my money back with PayPal if it's a bad one...
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    Originally posted by Jan Klaassen View Post
    'nTag dear fellow forum-members!

    Today, a package arrived with in it, an Erich Weinert NCO Tunic.
    At least, that's what I hoped (and still hoping) it to be.

    Now my question is, even after looking up older threads on this subject, as follows:
    When it arrived, I turned the sleeve inside-out immediately, and spotted right away that the seam of the lining had been opened up and stitched again. I'm not sure exactly how long this part of hand-sewn lining actually is, because only about 10 centimeters really look strange, the rest looks good. Besides that, the inside hasn't been tampered with.
    The outside looks ok. The entire cuff title is placed 13cm from the bottom of the sleeve. It looks machine-stitched.
    So, could this be a 'put-together' one? Could one put the entire cuff title on by making a 10 centimeter hole in the lining?
    Or, would it be possible that a normal NCO tunic was upgraded to an EW tunic (when it's owner got into the ensemble) during the 80's?

    Thanks in advance

    ps: I'll try to take pictures tomorrow if necessary! Plus, I would really like your opinions on this matter, as I could perhaps still get my money back with PayPal if it's a bad one...
    To 1: Yes, when you have the right machine, you need only 10 cm
    To2: Sure, every Uniform was upgraded as they didn't ordered them from the factory, completely made up. They took the Uniform from Central Depot by the right size and upgraded them at the unit's tailors shop.

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      #3
      So, in fact, originality of this tunic stands or falls with the quality of the stitching inside the sleeve, where it was opened to add the title?
      It does look hand-stitched, and it looks different than all other uniforms I have (which would be logical, as it has been opened and closed). Anyways, I'll take some pics tomorrow (if it clears up and we get some sunlight) so you can judge too.

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        #4
        Here's the pictures, I hope they're clear enough:





        It certainly is not the original stitching (as it came out of the factory). It seems that they've taken two sides of the opened lining, pulled it together and stitched it, with some 'surplus' lining still sticking out. It looks strange, but not damaged or too sloppy.

        However, when I turned the jacket inside-out completely, I found out that the other sleeve also had this sort of stitching, on about the same spot (from +- 3 centimeters from the start of the lining up 'till the armpits-parts). Why would they've opened that? What could be an explanation?

        Other, right, sleeve:

        Exactly same sort of stitching as well.


        The re-stitched parts 'start' at about 2.5 centimeters from the bottom of the sleeve lining, and ends about 1-1.5 centimeters from the top, where the sleeve-lining meets the lining inside the jacket...

        Please leave comments or ideas on this one
        Last edited by Jan Klaassen; 05-27-2011, 07:21 AM.

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          #5
          I forgot to put the pictures of the outside in here. They're on their way!

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            #6
            To me, everything looks normal.

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              #7
              That would be great

              Is that 'it looks ok as being opened and closed by a tailor'? Because, it has been opened and closed, am I right?

              Anyways, here's the pics of the cufftitle on the outside, looks normal to me:

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                #8
                I don't think there's anything to worry about. I would that tunic based on those pics.

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                  #9
                  That's one great relief there :P Thanks for the help everyone!
                  I still don't know anything about the 'why', but I'm happy

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                    #10
                    I have a Volksmarine uniform with an Erich Weinert Ensemble cuff title where the lining had been opened in a simular manner.

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                      #11
                      everything is still normal 'till now.

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                        #12
                        This discussion made me go back and take a closer look at my one and only EWE tunic.

                        I now see that it too, has had a lot of modifications done by hand. The original wearer (a man named "Lemke") must have had size 54 shoulders and a size 46 waist, as there is a huge amount of material being taken up not just on the external panels, but inside the lining as well. There are signs of rework and hand stitching at the hem, the arm holes, and the cuffs.

                        In addition, while the construction details of my tunic largely follow those of a standard gabardine officer tunic, there are some notable exceptions. For instance:

                        A) The gabardine cloth of this EWE tunic is of a significantly tighter weave than that of the normal tunic, giving it a heavier and stiffer feel than the standard cloth. Not only is the difference readily visible in a side by side comparison with a Wachregiment tunic, it is even noticeable between the sleeve fabric and the base cloth used to make the EWE cuff title




                        B) The obverse of my EWE tunic collar is of a form-fitting two piece construction. I don't think I've come across this feature on other NVA tunics outside of the Gesellschaftsuniform. Moreover, C) the back panel of the same collar is made from dark collar fabric, and shows those old-fashioned zigzag stitching that hold the buckram in place - a detail that is absent from all but the earliest NVA tunics (even the factory-converted '69 officer tunic was fitted with a much simpler collar; I am pretty sure my EWE tunic is nowhere near that old).





                        Another construction detail that caught my eyes is the greatcoat-style metal grommets for the shoulder board button strings. The eyelets on the standard tunic are sewn.




                        Also, my tunic shows no sign of ever having had a dagger loop. Whatever it was before the custom tailoring, it was probably not a standard officer tunic.

                        Moreover, as near as I can tell from browsing through online photos and descriptions, the features I outlined above are not at all unusual for EWE tunics. Like many of them, mine is completely free of markings (other than the inked name of the former owner). This led me to wonder whether most original EWE tunics were essentially custom made for the individual performers/musicians. Given the nature of the work the members of the EWE were routinely engaged in, wouldn't this type of perk make practical sense as well?

                        Judging by the surfeit of sweat stains in the armpit area of my tunic, Genosse Unteroffizier Lemke must have performed his assigned tasks with great verve, and reeked of bountiful socialist spirit up close...


                        Gene T

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