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    Signature question of a signed Hero of Labor on estand...

    Hello all - There is currently a Hero of labor document and medal up for sale on the international estand and the seller (Harry) thinks the signature maybe handwritten. From what I can see the signature is handwritten incase potential buyers bring it up for discussion on this forum.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=502562

    Harry - Is there any ink pen impressions from the signature on the back of the document?
    Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group
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    Ralph - Thanks for your expert opinion, I appreciate it.

    I just checked the document, there are no impressions on the back, but its a rather thick paper and it looks like the signature was made with some sort of fountain pen, so its not very likely that it was pressing through.
    I do have other documents with stamped signatures, these are very evenly thick lines, not thick and thin like on this one.

    Harry

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      #3
      Harry thanks. I am right now going through the signatures I own to see if I can find one to post...but feel safe that your signature is handwritten.
      Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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        Harry - I just went through my many Honecker signature documents and found only one with handwritten signature, which if I remember correctly, he did not sign that many official award documents during his tenure.
        Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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          Originally posted by Ralph Pickard View Post
          Hello all - There is currently a Hero of labor document and medal up for sale on the international estand and the seller (Harry) thinks the signature maybe handwritten. From what I can see the signature is handwritten incase potential buyers bring it up for discussion on this forum.

          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=502562

          Harry - Is there any ink pen impressions from the signature on the back of the document?
          Following the hyperlink does not work for me? Cheers, Torsten.

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            #6
            Torsten,
            Its already sold, could be that the thread has been removed.

            Harry

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              #7
              Item had already sold and the thread deleted...Here is a picture of the signature...
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              Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                Hello all,

                I come from a commercial graphics background and I can say without hesitation that this is a hand written signature. No modern (or ancient, for that matter) printing method can duplicate the variety of tones produced by the varying pressure of the pen without going to a half-tone process- which would be quite evident at this magnification (tiny dots).

                What I cannot say with certainty is whether or not the signature is genuine- looks real to me based on what I've seen to date. But rest assured this is definitely a hand written signature.

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                  Originally posted by SirHarry1 View Post
                  Torsten,
                  Its already sold, could be that the thread has been removed.

                  Harry
                  ah, that explains it then ... Cheers, Torsten.

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                    #10
                    It reminds me of the auto pen signatures that US Army General's have used since at least the 70s. This was a mechanical device that writes a signature exactly like the original for onerous jobs like repeatedly signing awards documents. I'm in no way implying that this is an auto pen signature, but I do wonder if the East German's had this auto pen technology as well.

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                      Originally posted by ehrentitle View Post
                      It reminds me of the auto pen signatures that US Army General's have used since at least the 70s. This was a mechanical device that writes a signature exactly like the original for onerous jobs like repeatedly signing awards documents. I'm in no way implying that this is an auto pen signature, but I do wonder if the East German's had this auto pen technology as well.
                      autopens have been around for a very long time. Hitler used them and it is well possible that the DDr did, too. Cheers, Torsten.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen

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                        #12
                        Hi,

                        original signatures from Erich Honecker are yery seldom on award documents.

                        Because I can not find a match with other E. Honecker signatures, I think, that it could be an original signature.

                        Original signatures from E. Honecker you can find rather on letters of congratulation.

                        Here is an original signature from 1983, on a congratulations letter to a "Genossin Professor" on her 80th birthday:



                        Uwe

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                          #13
                          I think it would be best to compare this to one or some of the known stamp signatures. How many different Honecker signature stamps were there? It should be easier to prove that a signature is not a stamped one when compared to stamps then it would be to prove that it is original if we can only go by posted photos and not hold the piece in hand. Cheers, Torsten.

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                            Uwe,

                            Thanks for posting the second signature; now I can say with some certainty that both signatures are from the same person. Why? First: look at the very feint beginning of the first "E"- you can barely see it at the top... very hard to fake. Second: the "flatness" of the top portion of the same "E" as it descends- most folks would tend to make this rounder. Third: the shape of the loop in the "H"... virtually the same in both examples. The devil IS in the details.

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                              Thanks all for your comments...
                              Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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