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Purely in respect to the UTV Yoke there is a variant, wether it is later or earlier than the standard I can't be sure as it is not dated, it even copies the colour of the '58' pattern webbing. The colour and the inclusion of 'D' rings on the back of the yoke are of particular interest, note the lack of stings......Comment
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The resemblence is uncanny...Excellent find...
And where did you get the H-Harness with D-rings, I would love to get ahold of one of
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Genosse David H,
Most interesting,
as the NRB also developed an Equipment System to this pattern at this time.... It too is Inferior to the British 58 Pattern Webbing, only even worse...
Grenade Pouch, Water Bottle Pouch, E-Tool Carrier, Magazine Pouch, Belt and Yoke... they kept with a "slung" Respirator Bag.
"Large" Pack.
Respirator Bag.
( These Images are from the "Net" I found.)
These are the pieces I have to look after for a fallen Genosse of myself, Genosse iannima and Genosse Kozlov , as you can see there is difference in production materials.
Back to the NVA developed Complex...
The D rings are non standard, not Grey Galvanised Steel.
The D rings are interesting as you have no auxiliary straps, so you still can't easily use an Assault Pack with it.
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Interesting comparison to the 58 gear. It would be interesting to find the records of the development of the UTV gear (notes of meetings, testing, other designs that may have been considered, etc.)
Viktor, get the duty car warmed up . . . I did a living history event this weekend wearing my 1980's Brit kit and I have to say that the 58 webbing is by far the most comfortable that I've ever worn. The Brits didn't always get it right with their webbing (the '08 gear is a pain in the rear, as is the Pattern 37), but they hit a home run with the 58. MUCH better than the NVA webbing (I'll be waiting on the curb so the duty car can do a quick 'snatch and grab'), although I haven't worn the UTV.
I did make sure to have a small display of my NVA gear set up to show the public...
How comfortable is the UTV when fully loaded? I'm assuming that the H-pattern support would be easy wearing and would distribute the weight nicely.Comment
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The UTV H-harness is pretty comfortable in wear...I have the ABC suit rolled up on the back too, the only thing that throws it off is the huge gas mask bag attached to the belt...
Even with that, if the magazine pouch has loaded magazines in it the weight is even on both sides, so all in all I give the UTV harness with all additions a thumbs up for wear...
Much better then the Y-setups...
Speaking of H-harness, the American army used them from 1956 (M56) to I believe 1975 then switched to Y- harness...
The H was far better in wear then the newer Y setups...
Seems as though the NVA went retro with proven equipment in the later days...
The 'newer' OM gas mask is a copy of the old US M17 used in the Vietnam era through the 80s
with excellent results...Police forces still use them in America today and is a very good 'urban' mask due to
lack of hose and large filter...Very compact just being on the face...Even with internal cheek filters most units
are not in a gassed area any longer then a few minutes let alone hours that would be required to expire
the filters...Removing the hose and giant canister filter would have been a plus...(although I love my older NVA masks more)
A mask that was in use for minimum 2 decades is a proven winner...
(Bulgaria made a copy of the M17 mask too that I know of...)
The size specs of the OM mask and the M17 are so that an M17 biological hood will fit the OM mask...
My mask on page one has an NVA hood, I wouldn't put American goods on my NVA equipment... =)...
Looks as if the NVA searched and found the better equipment of other countries and utilized the already developed
items and put them into production instead of trying to develop newer equipment for themselves...
Great idea if money is lacking...Outfit the armies at a minimum cost with proven equipment...Last edited by ebolavirus; 03-22-2009, 09:28 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by jkeegen View Post
Genosse, So long as it was 68 Pattern Combats, a "Bolow" Compton webb Beret, Shirt... Hairy, DMS Boots, Putties and with an SLR, you will not be denounced by this Rezident... use of 84 Pattern Combats ETC. will just earn some 7.62mm X 38mm R Nagant, unpleasantness.
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[QUOTE=Viktor;3155925]Genosse, So long as it was 68 Pattern Combats, a "Bolow" Compton webb Beret, Shirt... Hairy, DMS Boots, Putties and with an SLR, you will not be denounced by this Rezident... use of 84 Pattern Combats ETC. will just earn some 7.62mm X 38mm R Nagant, unpleasantness.
Well, I was wearing 84DPM trousers, hairy shirt, early 80's para smock, maroon DuBora beret, face veil worn as cravat, and high leg boots. The rest of the unit was dressed in either 68 pattern or OG. We based most of our dress on advice from several retired 2 Para, 4 Para, and 10 Para (TA) veterens that we are in communication with (that's why i had the high leg boots vs. DMS-although if we portray any earlier than 1985, I would have to change my trousers and boots. Several of them informed us that would wear the high leg). We even wore our poncho rolls attached ABOVE our kidney packs on the 58 gear, as all the veteren Paras told us that the Para Regt wore it that way to keep it from bouncing against their rear, as it does when worn as intended, below the rear pouchs.
The best part was our 1973 109 Rover!Comment
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Genosse, As you were being an Imperialistic Air gangster Para so be it.. I hope you are short, those Hard Men are Big Men but tend not to be in height...Originally posted by jkeegen View Post
I follow "The Guards" Norms of that period of the Military-Industrial Complexes oppression of the Workers Paradise.
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