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    1988 Wachregiment on TV

    I have recently watched a 10 minutes little thing made by DDR TV on the Wachregiment in 1988. Now half a minute at the beginning has answered a few questions that have always troubled my sleep ...
    The opening scene (more or less) is at 6:45 am (if I remember rightly) when a detachment of guards leaves the barracks in Geschwister Scholl Straße to reach the Neue Wache on foot. The interesting thing is that the barrier is opened and closed, by another member of the Wachregiment in a different order of dress. Now I have not got an original photograph to show, but being the buffoon that I am , I have recreated that order of dress at home ...



    As you can see the FIVE buttoned tunic is worn as Dienstuniform, with the collar open (it is obvious from the rest of the video that it is the depths of summer), with the brown belt and ammunition pouch. The weapon I cannot replicate correctly because I do not own one, but it was what I believe is technically known as an AKS 74N, that is a version of the Kalashnikov firing the smaller round, characterised by the bigger and longer flash excluder at the muzzle, and by a folding stock. Here I am carrying my normal AKM.

    Now this to me answers several questions: firstly it corroborates the usage of that five buttons tunic for Dienstuniform, but this is something on which we pretty much knew what was what.
    What is new is the usage of a Kalashnikov weapon by a member of the Wachregiment. I had often wondered whether they were actually trained to fight with the SKS that they carried at the Neue Wache. It seemed rather odd that they would, but it is also rather difficult to imagine that a regiment housed so centrally in Berlin, would not be trained to fight, just in case the balloon did go up. We would obviously need a veteran to help us with this, but I strongly suspect that the SKS was only used for ceremonial purposes and the actual fighting training that they are likely to have done, must have been done with Kalashnikov type weapons. This video was done in 1988, so an AK74 makes sense, but earlier than that, an AKM is more likely.

    Incidentally I have also seen earlier DDR TV footage of -probably- Wachregiment soldiers, standing guard next to memorials (not the Neue Wache) and again carrying MPiK. Now I cannot be certain that they were indeed Wachregiment because the cuff title was not visible, and they were only to be seen for very few seconds but that was enough to see that they were of the rank of Soldat, wearing dark collar officer uniforms (piping was visible and obviously the Stiefelhose), and the white belt with cross strap. As I said, holding the AKM across their chest. The uniforms to me point towards their being Wachregiment and the scene was obviously in Berlin, as stated in the commentary.

    So here we have some evidence that the Wachregiment was also using Kalashnikov type weapons, obviously not for its principal ceremonial role but... and if that was true of Wachregiment N.1 (the one that later became the Engels), I have little doubt that the elusive Wachregiment N. 2 used Kalashnikovs very extensively...

    I have not worked out how to save a still from the video I don't know if I can...
    Last edited by iannima; 04-12-2008, 01:33 AM.

    #2
    Very strange order of dress. A Brown belt with a sidecap, while not in parade uniform? Weird... I would expect the schirmmuetze to be worn. AFAIK, only in Berlin is a brown belt worn with stritchtarn ammo pouches. So logically, the Pouch accompanies the AK and the AK accompanies a bayonet (Or lack thereof?)

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      #3
      Well the Wachregiment is weird... and wonderful!
      The Grenzer in Berlin had a similar-ish order od dress but that five button tunic is unique to the Wachregiment. I too would have expected a bayonet... But definitely not there...






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        #4
        A still photograph of the documentary I refer to has been published on another forum:



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          #5
          I must say, the Berlin Grenzer have my favorite order of dress Where else can one get away with wearing the dienstuniform with bayonet and mpi-km pouch on the brown belt?

          I have a little question about that. It is obvios that pretty much all GT ranks carried the Mpi-KM in the field, including officers. I imagine this could also be done in berlin?

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            #6
            De gustibus non est disputandum...

            And by the looks of it, you would choose the Grenztruppen and I would choose the Wachregiment at each and every opportunity
            But I am afraid your argument applies equally well to the Wachregiment:



            I might even add that in the Koch book on the Stasi Wachregiment you can find photographs of the full Steingrau Dienstuniform (with Schirmmütze) carrying AKM, mag pouch, bayonet AND gas mask on the brown belt.

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              #7
              Originally posted by iannima View Post
              De gustibus non est disputandum...

              And by the looks of it, you would choose the Grenztruppen and I would choose the Wachregiment at each and every opportunity
              But I am afraid your argument applies equally well to the Wachregiment:



              I might even add that in the Koch book on the Stasi Wachregiment you can find photographs of the full Steingrau Dienstuniform (with Schirmmütze) carrying AKM, mag pouch, bayonet AND gas mask on the brown belt.
              Genosse Ianima,
              I would love to be a fellow Wachregiment Soldat with you but i think a size m56-1 Wachregiment member was a bit of a rarity

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                #8
                Just found this on our dear friend's website:

                http://www.augengeradeaus.de/wachdienst_03.html

                Ample evidence of AK74S, unpiped tunics etc. etc. being worn by the Wachregiment not charged with ceremonial duties. I am sure that just about ALL that they are doing, and specifically the way they hold their weapons, is against ALL possible regulations...

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by iannima View Post
                  Just found this on our dear friend's website:

                  http://www.augengeradeaus.de/wachdienst_03.html

                  Ample evidence of AK74S, unpiped tunics etc. etc. being worn by the Wachregiment not charged with ceremonial duties. I am sure that just about ALL that they are doing, and specifically the way they hold their weapons, is against ALL possible regulations...
                  Genosse iannima, It is an excellent Historical Document...

                  I think I heard your Screams when you first saw their Orders of Dress...

                  Some very nice points to Note.

                  Is a Clear photo of a yet to be coloured in Tape Rule, so we can see the Make, ETC ..... anywhere of your Knowledge Genossen?.

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