Dog-catcher

[olivyaya]

I have just read a book saying that originally, the Klassispange was issued to the MdI ... however... MANY members of the NVA and the GT did actually wear this dog Klassi ! Apparently after 1987, those were issued to MdI only !

[SvenWittnebel]

Mukke**** is the German malapropism for the French Mocca Faux, known since WWI and brought home by former POWs.
In Germany it is normally known as Landkaffee/country coffee and is made of chicoree, rye, malt and barley. Caro-Kaffee is just one brand but the first one, 1828.


PS.: Years ago they had a commercial with a singer, wellknown by many guys around here I think, Volker Lechtenbrink. He was the boy who fires the Panzerfaust in the movie Die Br******252;cke.

[uscob]

Mukke**** is the German malapropism for the French Mocca Faux, known since WWI and brought home by former POWs.
In Germany it is normally known as Landkaffee/country coffee and is made of chicoree, rye, malt and barley. Caro-Kaffee is just one brand but the first one, 1828.


PS.: Years ago they had a commercial with a singer, wellknown by many guys around here I think, Volker Lechtenbrink. He was the boy who fires the Panzerfaust in the movie Die Brücke.

Hi Sven,
Welcome to the Forum.
Is that you on the pic? Looks like a Police Motorbike Suit.
Nico

[olivyaya]

Mukke**** is the German malapropism for the French Mocca Faux, known since WWI and brought home by former POWs.
In Germany it is normally known as Landkaffee/country coffee and is made of chicoree, rye, malt and barley. Caro-Kaffee is just one brand but the first one, 1828.


PS.: Years ago they had a commercial with a singer, wellknown by many guys around here I think, Volker Lechtenbrink. He was the boy who fires the Panzerfaust in the movie Die Br******252;cke.

I have never heard of this "Mocca Faux" here in France ... but my Grand Ma often told us about what she called Ersatz caf******233; made of chicor******233;e and oats !!
Caro or Karo does still exist here !!

[SvenWittnebel]

My French is not existing (after four years in school, didn't like it as second foreign language, wish we were more than four who wishes Latin, sorry), should be " Moca Faux". And this is what my grandmom told me as her stepfather was a POW in France after WWI.

Karo is the"new" name, the original from 1828 was written with a C. And as it's now a brand of Nestle, You will find this Ersatzkaffee every where.



@ Nico: Yes, and I'm wearing the old leather one.

[olivyaya]

I had a look on google.fr and I could not find anything...
May be she meant "faux moka" instead of "moka faux" which would not mean the same... moka is a type of coffee and "faux" means not original, substitute ... so she probably meant "substitute moka" like she would have said "substitute coffee" ... when yyou said "moka faux" it sounded like an typical expression ... which sounded strange to me !

[SvenWittnebel]

That is possible, upmixed words by people who can't speak the language of the opponent perfectly.

In English maybe surrogate-coffee? And possible this Mukke****-thing is much older, 1870-71? Or influences by the French speaking people in Prussia (Hugenotts)? They bring their word Gendarmerie with their Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 10, Gens d`armes, into the German language, or Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 13, Gardes du Corps f.e.

In 1808 two of my great-great-great-great-grandfathers fight with their Kürassier-Regiment Nr.7 at Auerstedt. And the command of attack was: "Marsch! Marsch! or sometimes En Muraille!"

http://www.preussenweb.de/armee2/attacke.jpg

German is much influences by other languages, like vice versa...

[olivyaya]

Here is a klassi spange I think is from early production... it has the basic screw at back... I was told this type of screw was produced as early as 1964... is that correct ?

[Capt. R]

Grenztruppen dog handler badge

badge on GT NCO tunic

[MaxxBrunn1938]

[QUOTE=uscob;1564731]I just asked a friend who was in the GT from 1962 to 90 and he said that it was , oficially, not allowed to wear these badges on the GT Uniform, but that maybe some commanders allowed it inoficially for distinguished personel.
Nico[/QUOTE

Thanks Nico I actually wanted to find a sleeve patch to sew on my GT tunic but now I'm not if I should ?

Joe

[Mike G.]

No matter how many photos you go through, you are not going to be able to find one of a GT wearing it.

While official references upon research infer it was officially for wear by NVA, GT and MdI Dog Handlers, photos are going to support that it was only worn by the MdI. NVA and GT opted to wear the sleeve patch. There are numerous prior threads in this forum covering this topic; many of which have some quite interesting pics attached.

[Capt. R]

here's that link.....

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=dog+handler

[Mike G.]

Upon re-review of what I earlier wrote, I noted I omitted one bit of information specific to the NVA Dog Handler sleeve patch.

It was officially issued with both a white thread color dog and a black thread colored dog, between 1963 and 65.

Note: Most NVA Dog Handler sleeve patches appearing for sale today have the newer open collar material as a backing. These are reproductions, so beware.
This sleeve patch was also produced with a pink, red, yellow and dark green dog for use witih the different NVA Branches. This however was done unofficially at Unit leve. These badges as I already remarked, were extremely rare at their time of creation, and I suspect they cannot be found today.
Again, this type also appears for sale, and they too have the newer open collar backing material. Beware.

[Katze Felix]

There appears to be a plethora of the above pictured Dog Handler badges on
the market - most that I have seen have the "holed" later pattern screw discs.
Are these "restrikes" or outright fakes or in typical DDR "logic" seldom used and issues items were produced far out of proportion to what was necessary?

[Mike G.]

I think many, just like the Old Air Force style Para Badges are so called "Restrikes". I'm not sure that is really a correct term, as there are differences in these badges and the original production badges.