What style shooting cords did paratrooper EMs and NCOs wear? Where they issued the regular rifleman ones or did they have their own pattern?
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No specific para type... so I guess they wore the regular ones !Originally posted by Matthew S. -
don't know for sure, but if they passed the infantry shooting award tests, then I guess they would have got the infantry weapons one...but, paras also did get a lot of specialist training and so, it may have been possible for them to earn other lanyards, like the artillery one or the tank weaponry one ... but, I do not know what the regulations for that would have been...?Originally posted by Matthew S.
As far as I know, for artillery for example, if you had managed to get the infantry rifle one and then the artillery one, you would have only been able or allowed to were one of them and that would have been the artillery one of course...
but, as mentioned before, I am only guessing at this and I am sure that someone here will be able to post pics of para guys wearing lanyards...Cheers, Torsten.Comment
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pic 4 on page 172 of the Keubke book shows a para Gefreiter wear an Infantry Weapons Schuetzenschnur...Cheers, Torsten.Comment
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Matthew,
Kind of off the topic... But you can add on a jump badge to a mot-schutzen tunic and you have an instant KSK tunic. The KSK were the NVA version of the Navy Seals. Do check out their web site!
BTW, officers did not wear the cord! The acorns were awarded as subsequent awards. I think 3 was the max.
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Paul,Originally posted by paul heath
I'm not an expert at all, but I would question the mot-schuetzen tunic for the KSK. As far as I know, they belonged to the navy.
Your type of uniform would be correct for the Fernaufklaerer.
DagComment
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Dag,
Yes, you are correct. I meant the SAK/Fernaufklaerer. But, good point I would love to get/put togther a proper KSK tunic. I assume the jump badge would go on it.
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Torsten/all,Originally posted by torstenbel
For tankers(gunners/commanders) the tank weapons were classed as their main weapons, therefore all gunnery training was done with the tank. And the results of tank gunnery tests were relavant for the lanyard. There was just not enough time to make them very good shooters with infantry weapons, too. Up to 1985/86, however, there was no specialist tank lanyard (apart from the 50ies, when they did exist), so everyone had to wear the crossed rifles. But from 1985/86 they were issued the lanyard with the T-72 on. I still have mine with the two acorns I've got, the max number.
Unfortunately, as the driver had only a Makarov as his personal weapon, he had to get his infantry/general lanyard with the pistol and was not allowed to wear the tankers lanyard.
Hope that helps,
DagComment
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Thanks all. Now with all this talk of KSK and SAK/Fernaufklaerer, I have even more research to do. Maybe a couple more items to hunt down for my collection.
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Hi Dag, true for time served members of the army of course...slightly different for artillery officer cadets...in year two we did the test for the infantry lanyard and a few got it and in year three you had the chance to get the artillery lanyard and some got it and in year four you were equivalent in rank to a Faehnrich and were no longer permitted to wear any shooting lanyards anyhow and no longer did any test for it either of course....so, an artillery officer/officer cadet could first have got the infantry shooting lanyard and then the artillery lanyard and the same would have been true for Navy weaponry officer cadets and panzer officer cadets of course and their respective weaponry specialisation...and because paras did of course do training on various weapons I thought that maybe it was possible for them to also do tests for different types of shooting lanyards....but as per you explanation above, the infantry weapons would have been their main weapons of course..Cheers, Torsten.Originally posted by DagComment
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