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    #1

    BII Thale prototype?

    Des anybody have a picture of an original BII type helmet?

    Is it true that this helmet might have been used by students and troops of the doberlitz shool in cobat against the soviets at the end of the war?
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    Jaime,

    Here is a former thread on the topic - Post No. 10 on the thread shows a picture of an BII Stahlhelm.

    Oops - forgot to post the link.....
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=68246

    Yes, there is evidence to support that at least one Infantry Company at the School that was engaged in action in Berlin, was issued and wore the helmet.
    Last edited by Michael D. Gallagher; 07-18-2006, 06:24 PM.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #3
      .....and there is a myth that the Dresden Museum has an actual example THE ONLY EXAMPLE....

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        #4
        According to some old time members who managed to visit the musuem prior to it closing and then changing staff, it was there. Unfortunately, no one back then thought to coordinate with the Curator for the purpose of seeing if it was possible to take a photo of the inside of the helmet.

        The new Curator is not a DDR fan, and much of what used to be displayed inside relevant to the NVA, such as the Bleucher Orders and Medals, will probably never be on display again. I suspect this includes the BII prototype helmet.
        Michael D. GALLAGHER

        M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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          #5
          Hmmmnn....then what is his problem? The B/II helmet is no DDR helmet.....it is a WWII helmet!

          Dave

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            #6
            In Germany, Wehrmacht related memorabilia is even more frowned upon, except maybe for Skin-head types.

            Regardless, the word is that except for some vehicles displayed outside (which are not being properly cared for) DDR/NVA memorabilia is not going to be nearly as prevalent in the Dresden Museum as it once was.

            As for the BII Stahlhelm, I cannot personally vouch for it actually being at the Museum. I've never been there. Though when it re-opens, I'd like to make a trip.
            Michael D. GALLAGHER

            M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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              #7
              thanks a lot for the info

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                #8
                BII in action

                Yes, there is evidence to support that at least one Infantry Company at the School that was engaged in action in Berlin, was issued and wore the helmet.

                I have been trying to track down evidence for this for a few years now (I have gone through hundreds upon hundreds of photos): Berlin was a mess in April 1945 and I have found no evidence at all. Ludwig Baer is of the opinion that soldiers appearing behind the German lines in unfamiliar helmets would not have been a good idea.

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                  #9
                  The comment relevant to Ludwig BAER to my thinking doesn't wash. I don't know if a company at the Infantry School was issued the Prototype helmet or not. I wasn't there. But as a former combat arms soldier in the military, I know that if they were, then given the "Do all - die all" situation in Berlin, the last thing the Germans would have been thinking about is what someone looks like in a different helmet. The unit would have been deployed with whatever field gear it had. Its war for crying out loud.
                  Michael D. GALLAGHER

                  M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by david stone
                    Hmmmnn....then what is his problem? The B/II helmet is no DDR helmet.....it is a WWII helmet!
                    Dave
                    ...his problem is: he´s a Bundeswehr-Oberstleutnant.

                    And he has to follow the Bundeswehr order.

                    Let´s wait and see, what they show after the re-opening...

                    AR-11

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                      #11
                      Ludwig Baer is of the opinion that soldiers appearing behind the German lines in unfamiliar helmets would not have been a good idea.
                      Yes, but in the final days of the Third Reich, things were such a mess and supply such a problem that I'm sure members of the Wehrmacht would have fought in uniforms from the days of Fredrich the Great if they had to. A photo or other concrete proof that the B/II was used during WWII would be enormously important to students in military history.<!-- / message -->

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                        #12
                        may I ask why this helmet is described as a Thale prototype? Was it made by the firm EMT of Thale in the Harz mountains? Cheers, Torsten.
                        Last edited by torstenbel; 08-14-2006, 04:41 PM.

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                          So far as I know, the B/II helmet was manufactured by Thale, so far as I know in the same factory that manufactured helmets for the NVA a few years later. There was another prototype helmet actually called the "Thale", it was designed by the factory but wasn't pursued because it wasn't much different, ballistically, from the B and B/II model helmets.

                          Dave

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                            Originally posted by david stone
                            So far as I know, the B/II helmet was manufactured by Thale, so far as I know in the same factory that manufactured helmets for the NVA a few years later. There was another prototype helmet actually called the "Thale", it was designed by the factory but wasn't pursued because it wasn't much different, ballistically, from the B and B/II model helmets.

                            Dave
                            Hi Dave, so the firm was called Thale and it was not EMT based in the town of Thale? Do you know where this company Thale was based? Cheers, Torsten.

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                              #15
                              Hi Torsten,

                              I don't know who or what EMT is, but these helmets were produced by a factory known as Eisenhuettenwerk Thale (ET code on the WWI and WWII helmet). - located in the town of Thale. Perhaps in the DDR times it had another name? Here is a link I found on the place...I never bothered to see if it was in the Harz or not.
                              http://www.german-helmets.com/THALE%20PHOTOS.htm

                              Dave

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