Who has the money for it ?

[olivyaya]

http://cgi.ebay.de/Uniform-Ari-NVA-K...QQcmdZViewItem

[torstenbel]

http://cgi.ebay.de/Uniform-Ari-NVA-K...QQcmdZViewItem

An Ari dark collar uniform would be the only one to interest me...but not for that much money I am afraid.... Cheers, Torsten.

[Thälmannpionier]

I also spotted this auction and it raised a few question for me..

First,I do not know the Seller personally but I do know that he must have a first class collection of early DDR Stuff and that he sometimes sells some of it on ebay, like early NVA Visors and so on and this Uniform is probably 100% original..BUT..is this price really reasonable at all?? Even if it's a color piped dark collar Tunic and sky is the limit regarding the Price for those??
But still..,I mean I can get a original Wehrmacht Signals Tunic for about 750EUR in mint Condition!! (like currently for Sale on the E-Stand) and IMO those are rarer than this Uniform..
I wouldn't complain if he would at least include the Visor Hat to the Sale..but this is just a bit over the top IMHO..or not ?
I doubt that this Uniform will sell for that much Money
just my 2 cents..

Regards
Andreas

[Thälmannpionier]

just wanted to add..
that 2 or 3 month ago a dark Collar Generals Uniform was sold on ebay for about 650EUR or even less!! (cannot quite remember)
And thats what I call a VERY RARE and Desirable Uniform for a very reasonable Price!!

Regards
Andreas

P.S. I'm glad it went in good hands ..unfortunatly not in mine but in one from our Forum Community

[Gordon Craig]

Olivier,

Way too much money for me. I wouldn't even think of bidding on it for that price. I've seen Generals tunics, c/w visor, with that amount as a starting bid and they did not sell. The vendor is dreaming in technicolour!

Cheers,

Gordon

[Mike G.]

I'm of a different opinion.

Cheap? No. Reasonably priced? In my opinion, yes.

The general's uniforms being discussed are for the most part, price-wise "Open Collar".

Dark Collar General's Uniforms easily go for upwards of 1200.

Hello - this ensemble is early 50s era.

This is a 1956 ensemble - 1st year of the NVA. The color piped walking-out pants alone are extremely rare. They didn't survive. How many have you seen, let alone do you have in your personal collection? And this Seller takes Paypal. Everyone is always complaining German sellers don't use Paypal, Well, here is one that does.

I repeat - 1956 !!!

Parade Tunic, color piped walking out pants and overcoat. Duh.....

Andreas, if you can, please post the ebay site to the General's Dark Collar uniform that didn't sell for 650.00. I missed this one -

By the way, if members have been following DDR memorabilia, then I think most would agree the early stuff is in fact drying up. Particularly cloth items.

Wehrmacht Signals uniforms in my opinion, are not more rare than DDR NVA Dark Collar color piped era Signals uniforms. Can anyone on this forum produce a pair of Signals Dark Collar era color piped Walking-out pants? I didn't think so. I've never seen them. In fact, while there are some who have a color piped Signals Visor Hat, I've not seen anyone post an example of a color piped era Signals Parade Tunic.......

This isn't just Dark Collar era. It is Dark Collar color piped era. And this particular ensemble is 1956.

By the way, I am familar with the seller and know that he often gets items from "Estate" sells. He is one of the few sellers on ebay who offers ensembles - not just a tunic or a hat.

Okay my opinion, but we all are entitled to opinions.

I suspect in hind-site, most of us will look back to this thread a few years from now, and kick ourselves in the posterior for not going after it.....

[Garulfo]

Already sold. For such a rare item, I find the price very fair.

[torstenbel]

I suspect in hind-site, most of us will look back to this thread a few years from now, and kick ourselves in the posterior for not going after it.....

well, in hindsight you are very probably right....as mentioned before, if I was to be interested in any type of uniform to keep for myself then it would be piped Ari ones....but it would not have to be a very early one for me....just a piped Ari one would do, as long as it is cheaper.... but currently I would actually be in the market for buying an Ari piped NVA visor hat for keeps....anyone know of one for sale? And how much should I expect to have to pay for it should I find one? Cheers, Torsten.

[Thälmannpionier]

[quote=Michael D. Gallagher] The color piped walking-out pants alone are extremely rare. They didn't survive. How many have you seen, let alone do you have in your personal collection?

I repeat - 1956 !!!

Parade Tunic, color piped walking out pants and overcoat. Duh.....

Andreas, if you can, please post the ebay site to the General's Dark Collar uniform that didn't sell for 650.00. I missed this one -

By the way, if members have been following DDR memorabilia, then I think most would agree the early stuff is in fact drying up. Particularly cloth items.

Wehrmacht Signals uniforms in my opinion, are not more rare than DDR NVA Dark Collar color piped era Signals uniforms. quote]


Ok,Michael. Fair enough and true...BUT I believe the Thing is, most NVA Vets(there are still alot alive who served 1956-60) and also normal people or relavants of those NVA Vets..do not know how valubale early NVA Stuff already is..I noticed this alot of Times when visiting private households.
And my guess is,if the word spreads wide enough,that early NVA Stuff sells for more than a Wehrmacht Tunic ..many many more color piped Dark Collar Tunics will turn up on the market and that will probably bring the Price down a bit..off Course,I do not know for sure but that is my guess for the future,because I believe it exist more early NVA Stuff still in private households than Wehrmacht Uniforms...
Regards
Andreas

P.S. Congrats Michael

P.S.S. I do not have the Dark Collar Generals Tunic listed in my ebay anymore but the Forum Member visits our Forum regulary and if he sees this Thread,I hope he post a Photo or 2..

[torstenbel]

oh yes, just noticed who bought the tunic.....congratulations..... Cheers, Torsten.

[Mike G.]

Hi Andreas,

Collectors who live abroad in Europe, particularly collectors of DDR memorabilia who actually reside in Germany, without question have better access to what we collect, and therefore a better opportunity to acquire really hard to find rare, early, unique items, such as Dark Collar color piped era uniforms, for example.

But so far, my experience has been that the Dark Collar color piped clothing, including the Visor Hats, is anything but prevalent. This is because these items were either turned in and re-issued as non-color piped clothing, or turned in and then cut up into wrags for cleaning - like cleaning out the bore of Tank Gun-Tubes. I'm serious. This is what happened to this clothing. The NVA Veterans of the 50s survived, but the Dark Collar color piped clothing they were issued and wore, I fear did not fare so well. So I am not as assured as others, that one day we will all awaken from our sleep, to find that there is a ton of this stuff suddenly available.

If that happens, then that is great for all collectors. And I'm sure the ones that currently make the sacrifice to collect it at the current high costs, will not be jealous or regret that they didn't wait several more years for the gravy train to arrive. Their collection is still uniquely theirs.

I and many other members of the forum frequently ask our forum brethren who have the ability to collect the much more rare items to post them so we can see them. We congratulate them and at the same time copy the posted pictures of their wares to our personal photo gallery we all keep so we have a record of what these items looked like and how they were set up for wear back when the DDR was alive and kicking. But it interests me that on the rare occasion when something of this sort shows up on ebay, we then are quick to criticize the cost and question the seller. And then question the buyer. The same buyer next week we will ask to post pictures of their rare DDR items on the forum so we can all look at them.

The fact is, this stuff (the very early 50s era stuff) is not cheap. It never has been. And I appreciate what the collectors on the forum that do strive to on occasion add such articles to their collection, sacrifice in time looking for these rare birds, and money in then acquiring these articles. I'm sure there are many other things outside of their collecting DDR memorabilia that they would like to have (maybe a new set of the current best golf clubs on the market for example) that they go without, to have an opportunity on occasion, to add such an example of early period DDR memorabilia to their collection. I don't critizice them. I applaud them. Lets all remember that we are preserving these items that would otherwise end up in a dust-bend or trash heap somewhere, rotting away. We are literally saving the history of the DDR. We can all take great pride in that.

[torstenbel]

Lets all remember that we are preserving these items that would otherwise end up in a dust-bend or trash heap somewhere, rotting away. We are literally saving the history of the DDR. We can all take great pride in that.

absolutely.....have said things to that effect a couple of times throughout my life on this forum and still agree with it...and am still amazed that you guys are so interest and so knowledgeable about the DDR and lets hope that this will not stop and that there will be more people taking up this hobby so that more items will survive...no matter where in the world the end up...at least in many years to come I might be able to show my grandchildren some of the collections that you guys have accumulated and say to them, that is where your heritage is and that is where your roots are and that is what your granddad used to do and wear...and lets face it, if it was up to the current German state, then no-one should even remember that the DDR ever existed and all remnants of the DDR should either be torn down or destroyed in one way or another....very sad... Cheers, Torsten.

[torstenbel]

Lets all remember that we are preserving these items that would otherwise end up in a dust-bend or trash heap somewhere, rotting away. We are literally saving the history of the DDR. We can all take great pride in that.

absolutely.....have said things to that effect a couple of times throughout my life on this forum and still agree with it...and am still amazed that you guys are so interest and so knowledgeable about the DDR and lets hope that this will not stop and that there will be more people taking up this hobby so that more items will survive...no matter where in the world the end up...at least in many years to come I might be able to show my grandchildren some of the collections that you guys have accumulated and say to them, that is where your heritage is and that is where your roots are and that is what your granddad used to do and wear...and lets face it, if it was up to the current German state, then no-one should even remember that the DDR ever existed and all remnants of the DDR should either be torn down or destroyed in one way or another....very sad... Cheers, Torsten.

[Gordon Craig]

Michael,

I don't think that anyones comments re the price of the uniform in question is anything other than that. I am sure that I have paid a lot more for some things I bought than others would have. That is just the way collecting anything goes. That happened to people who bought East German daggers and helmets before reunification. I personally wasn't questioning the seller in my comments. What he lists things for is his business not mine. What I would pay for things is ideeed my prerogitive. For example, I own a tunic and all the badges, except his Knights Cross and Oak Leaves, for Helmut Bruck who served throughout the war in StG 77 and eventually rose to command the unit. Recently I decided to purchase a copy of the documents and award portfolios for his Knights Cross and Oak Leaves. While these things were not cheap I would never be able to afford the real thing were I able to locate them. I am sure there are many collectors who would not spend the funds necessary to acquire copies of these documents. However, to me they are great and really finish my display of this uniform.
When you receive this uniform I lok forward to seeing you post fotos of it on the forum.

Regards,

Gordon

[Thälmannpionier]

Hi Andreas,

Collectors who live abroad in Europe, particularly collectors of DDR memorabilia who actually reside in Germany, without question have better access to what we collect, and therefore a better opportunity to acquire really hard to find rare, early, unique items, such as Dark Collar color piped era uniforms, for example.

Hi Michael,

No doubt about it..and I to be honest ,didn't think about that in my first post