Visorhat bought on ebay.de

[Thälmannpionier]

this is the type like on the picture posted from olivyaya

[olivyaya]

Here is another pic of the same cap, from another angle !
I am getting confused... the know looks like more the other type, doesn't it ?

[Thälmannpionier]

so many differences..now Im getting confused as well
The Knot now looks like the old type compared to the other Knots
I need to get some dinner to keep my brain cells going

[Tribley]

The knot on Olivier's hat is an older type, I would suspect that a hand operated device was used at the factory to wind the cord, maybe there could have been a new employee that turned the wheel the wrong way or maybe someone wasn't paying attention or... ???

My newer cords have a tighter twist than the old ones so maybe the factory switched to an automatic cord twisting machine, changed the diameter of the cord, and reduced the size of the knot to reflect the diameter change. Notice that the small knot has remained the same in design other than being reduced in size to fit the different sized cords tightly.

Here are my results from measuring the diameter of the twisted cord on cap cords:

Measurements are the median of several measurements taken along the cord at different points in the twist of the cord, measured with a Vernier Micrometer Caliper in inches to the nearest ten thousandth of an inch.

Late Cord 1: 0.2160 inch = 5.5 mm
Late Cord 2: 0.2173 inch = 5.5 mm
Late Cord 3: 0.2199 inch = 5.6 mm
Late Cord 4: 0.2259 inch = 5.7 mm

Early Cord 1: 0.2488 inch = 6.3 mm
Early Cord 2: 0.2621 inch = 6.7 mm

Average Late Cord: 5.6mm
Average Early Cord: 6.5mm

Conclusion: When measuring with a ruler by eye, early cords are approximately 1mm larger in diameter than late cords.

Here is the caliper, properly zeroed:

[Mike G.]

Wow.....

Impressive.

[Bone Collector]

Well, the cap has arrived and as expected it was the earlier larger cord. It feels so old and heavy it almost feels like TR. I am a bit confused about the cap though. The cord is (scientificly proven) an older example. The badge also feels much older than my other 80s badges. They're all shiny, but this one is much more matt. The enamel and work on the staatswaffen is also of a much higher grade. Still, the cap is marked H, for 1984, which seems a little weird. The cap is late but all insignia is early.
The example of an "oldie" keeping his insignia for new caps?

I will be able to suply you with images on thursday.

[torstenbel]

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The example of an "oldie" keeping his insignia for new caps?

I will be able to suply you with images on thursday.

obviously, you'll never know...there might have been someone doing that out there??... but very unlikely in my opinion...I cannot imagine that anyone would have bothered doing that...it was very much a case of in with the new and out with the old when equipment updates were done...Cheers, Torsten.