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    Officer's shoulder chord

    We all know that sometime in the 1970s (1976 if I am not wrong) the Achselschnur or officer shoulder chord was introduced and worn on the parade uniform and on that hideous garment known as the Großer Gesellschaftanzug .
    I have not found so far any photographic evidence that the officer shoulder chord was also worn on the overcoat for the parade uniform specification for winter. There is ample evidence that the special shoulder chord for the Wachregiment, introduced at the same time, was worn in such a fashion on the overcoat, but no evidence as far as officers are concerned. Logic would demand that it was. Does anybody have any thoughts on the matter?

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    Following regulations, the chord was never worn with the overcoat, why I don't know, bu this was the rule.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Garulfo
      Following regulations, the chord was never worn with the overcoat, why I don't know, bu this was the rule.

      Likely for the Marksman Cord , but a Wach Parade Cord is different.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Garulfo
        Following regulations, the chord was never worn with the overcoat, why I don't know, bu this was the rule.
        Strange while the coat was worn on winter time parades !!

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          #5
          You are correct about the year, 1976.

          Wach Regiments were the exception to the rule. The Officer Achselschnur was never worn on the Overcoat.
          Michael D. GALLAGHER

          M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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            #6
            Originally posted by Michael D. Gallagher
            You are correct about the year, 1976.

            Wach Regiments were the exception to the rule. The Officer Achselschnur was never worn on the Overcoat.
            Right... then what about an officer OF the Wachregiment itself? It must have looked odd if all soldiers did and the officers did not.
            In any case, Michael, what is your source? Photographs? Books?
            I have only seen one photograph of a parade (in the snow, Panzerregiment Heinz Hoffman) in the Keubke Kunz book and the angle is such that you would not see the Achselschnur even if it was there. I suspect they were not wearing one but then the photographs I have of the Wachregiment make me think that for THOSE parades at the Neue Wache, logic (and aesthetics) would have demanded that it be worn by officers too.

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              #7
              Picture

              I believe I took that picture in 1984. Too bad there is no way to get photo credits once you post on the internet. Mike Custer

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                #8
                Hi Iannima,

                My response to your very good question was based in part on sources you already noted, but mostly on personal observation. I was stationed in West Berlin the first time, between Mar 78 and Apr 82. During that time I made perhaps no less than 21 visits to East Berlin. We were encouraged to go as often as time would permit.

                The unique thing about Berlin was that since it was the Hauptstadt for East Germany, visitors were treated to military parades in which all of the different military organs of East Germany simultaneously participated. I saw a lot of ceremonies.

                And I visited the Neu Wache and witnessed the changing of the guard countless times, performed first by the NVA Wachregiment, and later by the Wachregiment Friedrich Engels.

                Based upon my personal observation, this is what I noted. The Other Ranks Parade Achselschnur (Worn by Military Band members too) was worn based upon the same regulatory guidelines as that for the Officer Achselschnur (Not worn on the Overcoat), with the exception of the Wachregiment guards actually standing guard at the Neu Wache. This exception is due to the Other Ranks Achselschnur actually being an integral part of their unique uniform makeup.

                I think if officers of the Wachregiment had actually stood guard at the Neu Wache, they too would then have worn their respective Officer Achselschnur on their overcoat. They didn't, and it wasn't.

                I know we have at least one former NVA Officer that served during the time the Officer Achselschnur was authorized for wear on parade tunics. Perhaps the very good question asked by Iannima could be posed to him?

                How about it Dirk? Any thoughts you can share?
                Michael D. GALLAGHER

                M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mikhealc
                  I believe I took that picture in 1984. Too bad there is no way to get photo credits once you post on the internet. Mike Custer
                  dear Mike
                  I must confess I have forgotten where on the net I have found this picture, but I hasten to credit and thank you for it!!
                  Do you remember any officers around when you took this picture? Were they wearing the Achselschnur?

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                    #10
                    Iannima,

                    Don't sweat the photo you posted. There was no way you could possibly have known it was Mike's pic.

                    A whole bunch of personal photos I took when stationed in Berlin have popped up all over the internet. Cost of doing business (Participating and sharing information). I figure if I post it, it is there for others to download and enjoy.

                    Its when someone loads them onto a CD and then sells the CD that it becomes an issue. This has happened to Mike, so I share his concern and impathize with him.

                    I hope we eventually manage to get your question answered to your satisfaction, and that of other interested members.

                    Cheers,
                    Michael D. GALLAGHER

                    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                      #11
                      Matt,
                      I remeber that there were Vopos around in their police jackets but I will check my pics to see if there is an officer on the side. Mike

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                        #12
                        The chord was authorized on the overcoat for the Wachregiment. It's in the DV 010/0/005 (uniform's regulation) p.45 : "für Offiziere der Ehrenkompnien der Wachregimenter auch am Uniformantel".

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Garulfo
                          The chord was authorized on the overcoat for the Wachregiment. It's in the DV 010/0/005 (uniform's regulation) p.45 : "für Offiziere der Ehrenkompnien der Wachregimenter auch am Uniformantel".
                          That's brilliant!!! An authoritative answer if there ever was one!! Thank you.
                          My suspicion is then confirmed.

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                            #14
                            Iannima,

                            Here is another source I found this evening that supports your suspicion / theory.

                            From the Uniformeffekten der bewaffneten Organe der DDR Spezialkatalog Band II authored by Klaus Walther: Page 95 and 96.

                            "Offizier von Ehrenkompanien der Wachregimenter trugen auf Befehl die Achselschur auch am Wintermantel".

                            Cheers,
                            Michael D. GALLAGHER

                            M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                              #15
                              Hey Iannima,

                              Just wanted to pass on my thanks to you for initiating what turned out to be a very interesting and informative thread.

                              One of the neat things about this business of collecting, is there always is something new to learn.

                              All the best,
                              Michael D. GALLAGHER

                              M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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