Cold War in Europe trivia thread...

[Christophe]

Here is the head now...

Ch.

[torstenbel]

5. Don't know exactly... I have seen pics of the head in park... but where...

Ch.

The whole monument has been cut into 125 pieces and since 1993 and definitely still in 2003 it has been burried under a sandhill in a meadowy/forresty area in a place called Seddinbergen which is near Treptow somewhere...Cheers, Torsten.

[torstenbel]

where is that now then??.,..so, if this is today, then it looks like the monument has been unearthed...?...would you say the ear that can be seen in the pic is his left ear or his right ear??... Cheers, Torsten.

Here is the head now...

Ch.

[Christophe]

Torsten,

According to this article of Die Welt (26 April 2003) there were even 129 pieces...

Die Welt :
"Atomgegner wollen 19 Meter hohe Lenin-Statue in Gorleben endlagern

Die Bürgerinitiative Umweltschutz Lüchow-Dannenberg hat der Berliner Stadtentwicklungsverwaltung am Freitag angeboten, ein früher in Berlin stehendes Lenin-Monument im Salzstock Gorleben endzulagern. Die 19 Meter hohe Lenin-Statue des Moskauer Künstlers Nikolai Tomski war 1992 auf dem damaligen Berliner Leninplatz (heute: Platz der Vereinten Nationen) in 129 Einzelteile zerlegt und abtransportiert worden.


Anwohner und Tomskis Erben erreichten eine Verpflichtung des Senates, die demontierte Statue "weder Wind und Wetter, noch menschlichen Anschlägen auszusetzen". In seiner Gruft in der Seddiner Heide findet das riesige Lenin-Abbild nach Zeitungsberichten aber keine Ruhe, weil Unbekannte Teile davon ausbuddelten.


Die Umweltinitiative schlägt als Termin für die Überführung der Statue ins Wendland den 31. Mai vor. An diesem Tag findet am Endlagerbergwerk Gorleben eine Demonstration der Atomgegner statt. "Der Lenin-Transport wäre da ein willkommenes Highlight", unterstrich Sprecher Francis Althoff. Dieser Transport nach Gorleben sei im übrigen auch der erste, "gegen den wir uns garantiert nicht querstellen". epd

Artikel erschienen am Sa, 26. April 2003"

Ch.

[torstenbel]

that is only a story about some anti nuclear demonstrators having made a silly suggestion...but I have not seen any evidence that this was actually carried out...???... can anyone confirm this? I have read elsewhere that it was taken to the forest area near Berlin in 1991 and that it was kept lying around openly until 1993, but that too many people took parts from it and they then burried it under a sandhill in 1993. And in 2003, when this suggestion was made, it was my understanding that the bits were still burried in the sand....and the reason why I asked about which ear you think can be seen in the pic you posted is that one of the reasons that he was burried under the sand in 1993 was that his left ear had been knocked off and stolen and I would say that he still has his left ear in that pic below and that that pic shows the head being stored openly in that forest sometime between 1991 and 1993 and not today... Cheers, Torsten.

Torsten,

According to this article of Die Welt (26 April 2003) there were even 129 pieces...

Die Welt :
"Atomgegner wollen 19 Meter hohe Lenin-Statue in Gorleben endlagern

Die Bürgerinitiative Umweltschutz Lüchow-Dannenberg hat der Berliner Stadtentwicklungsverwaltung am Freitag angeboten, ein früher in Berlin stehendes Lenin-Monument im Salzstock Gorleben endzulagern. Die 19 Meter hohe Lenin-Statue des Moskauer Künstlers Nikolai Tomski war 1992 auf dem damaligen Berliner Leninplatz (heute: Platz der Vereinten Nationen) in 129 Einzelteile zerlegt und abtransportiert worden.


Anwohner und Tomskis Erben erreichten eine Verpflichtung des Senates, die demontierte Statue "weder Wind und Wetter, noch menschlichen Anschlägen auszusetzen". In seiner Gruft in der Seddiner Heide findet das riesige Lenin-Abbild nach Zeitungsberichten aber keine Ruhe, weil Unbekannte Teile davon ausbuddelten.


Die Umweltinitiative schlägt als Termin für die Überführung der Statue ins Wendland den 31. Mai vor. An diesem Tag findet am Endlagerbergwerk Gorleben eine Demonstration der Atomgegner statt. "Der Lenin-Transport wäre da ein willkommenes Highlight", unterstrich Sprecher Francis Althoff. Dieser Transport nach Gorleben sei im übrigen auch der erste, "gegen den wir uns garantiert nicht querstellen". epd

Artikel erschienen am Sa, 26. April 2003"

Ch.

[Christophe]

Torsten,

Very good and interesting points. I did not know all this story... I will try to investigate more...

Ch.

PS : the article was only interesting because related to the 129 pieces... not more...

[torstenbel]

Hi Christophe, good investigating... I think its fun...ok, here is one of my main sources of information: http://www.mueggelheimer-bote.de/0003/seite4.htm

Cheers, Torsten.

Torsten,

Very good and interesting points. I did not know all this story... I will try to investigate more...

Ch.

PS : the article was only interesting because related to the 129 pieces... not more...

[Christophe]

Torsten,

Many thanks !! I'm sure I will find treasures here...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Soviet]

Christophe you have allmost all of them.

<tt>#1 Nikolai Tomsky 1970 </tt>
<tt>#2 Berlin, Leninplatz (today </tt><tt>Platz der Vereinten Nationen)</tt><tt>, </tt>Friedrichshain,<tt> Landsberger Allee </tt>
<tt>#4 November 13th 1991
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#3 is not answered yet.
Hint : this is a high civilian award from the former Soviet Union


#4 is incomplete
Hint : Why was it a debate weither to dismantle it or to leave it there ?

Thanks Torsten for the link ! I didn't know the "Demontage" did cost about half a million Marks. I would like to have the lenin head in my backyard.
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[Christophe]

#3 is not answered yet.
Hint : this is a high civilian award from the former Soviet Union

#4 is incomplete
Hint : Why was it a debate weither to dismantle it or to leave it there ?
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3. I think he got the Lenin Prize in 1972.

Now, the mision is to complete #4...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

I have not yet found any good complement for question #4... I let the others try now...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Soviet]

Christophe, this is not what I was looking for question #3. Maybe that could help you.

[torstenbel]

Hero of the Soviet Union then...but did he get it specifically for the Lenin Statue in Berlin?.. Cheers, Torsten.

[Mike G.]

Interesting observation Torsten,

That would seem incredible that he would be presented with such a high award (Hero of the Soviet Union) simply for sculpturing a statue of Lenin that was then placed in a sector of East Berlin?

[Christophe]

Bryan,

Too easy !!! It is the HSL (Hero of Socialist Labor) gold star. And not the HSU (Hero of the Soviet Union)...

In fact, Nikolai Tomsky also made in 1973 the new sarcophagus of Lenin in the Lenin Mausoleum.

Ch.