Soviet Order of Glory 3rd class, original?

[Marcel Banziger]

Hello gentlemen,

I believe this is a an original late '45 Order of Glory 3rd Class with what looks like its original ribbon and uncut ring. I am not experienced enough of these orders so what is your opinions?

Thanks a lot in advance!!

Marcel

[GREIF]

If the question is "Is it genuine" then yes absolutely .

[leaftree]

Looks good...

Marcel,

Looks original to me.
The Spasskaya Tower red star looks like a repair job to the red enamel.

[Marcel Banziger]

Thanks a lot for your input gentlemen, much appreciated!! Leaftree, I think you are right and the enamal does look like it's repaired. I overlooked this initialy. Therefor I am glad we have this excellent forum

Here's another 3rd Class order, from the same seller. Is this original and untouched? I am looking for an original order without any repairjobs or other alterations.
This is according to the number a wartime order. Shouldn't it have a doubleplated suspension because of this? Like with Campaign medals.....or is it different for these orders and have wartime orders also these single plated suspensions?

Thanks a lot!!

[Marcel Banziger]

My worry with this last one is the last letter A from the word Slava. The bottom of the A is rather close to the edge which is in some cases a concern and in some not. I am not experienced enough with these to be sure here.

[Egorka]

My worry with this last one is the last letter A from the word Slava. The bottom of the A is rather close to the edge which is in some cases a concern and in some not. I am not experienced enough with these to be sure here.

I think the order is genuine, but the suspension and ribbon - not.

[Darrell]

These medals were worn in combat almost every day. The suspensions are very weak to say the least with small pin devices and very weak rings. They were bent, broken, repaired and replaced many times. To find an issued untouched piece isn't that common.

[Eric Gaumann]

I think, and this is just an educated guess, that all OG3s minted and awarded before the end of the Great Patriotic War (GPW) are serial numbered below (roughly) 200,000. Those numbered above 200k were certainly awarded for war-time deeds of bravery but presented after the end of hostilities (often in 1947).
And technically all OGs should be on a two piece suspension but as Darrell correctly points out they get replaced all the time.

[Marcel Banziger]

Thanks gentlemen for your opinions and comments. I does make sense indeed that those pins and suspensions break while being in combat and therefor the majority (at leat the majority which I have seen) all have replaced single brass suspensions.

I have seen this list below for rough estimations of award dates. I noticed some numbers jump up and down in the timeline but in general you're quite on the spot with the 200.000 dividing Eric.

http://gmic.co.uk/topic/35306-soviet...litary-awards/

[Eric Gaumann]

. I noticed some numbers jump up and down in the timeline

This seems to happen a lot with Soviet awards. And after moving to Imperial Russian I see the same thing so it might just be a 'Russian thing'. It seems that blocks of awards, by numbers, were sent in batches to specific Russian/Soviet Armies/corps/divisions/brigades for awarding. So therefore 'busier' attachments got lower numbered awards before second-line units.

[Marcel Banziger]

Thanks a lot Eric. I already thought this could be the case with a vast territory so batches of awards were indeed send to seperate regions.

Cheers!
Marcel

[Egorka]

This seems to happen a lot with Soviet awards. And after moving to Imperial Russian I see the same thing so it might just be a 'Russian thing'. It seems that blocks of awards, by numbers, were sent in batches to specific Russian/Soviet Armies/corps/divisions/brigades for awarding. So therefore 'busier' attachments got lower numbered awards before second-line units.

The awards were distributed among the front HQ and then down the chain. This means if there were a few recomendation for a given order/medal, then it took longer time for the batch to run out. Some time it gives very long (like 1-2 years) deviation from general rules. I reality the existing tables are just a general guideline, and none of them are fully correct. In some cases such deviation is actually a sign of the award being more special than others.