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    #16
    I confirm

    Originally posted by GREIF View Post
    Early Ssh 39
    with original star and interesting chinstrap

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      #17
      Ssh39 showing its age but still at the forefront in the defense of Mother Russia.

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        #18
        Thanks all for help...I m very surprised because I think it is ersatz Ssh40 made...So it is early Ssh 39 before they started used clasic 39 liners ? Have someone some info about +- numbers or how is this helmet commonly in compare with clasic 39 helmet ? I have many 36 39 40 helmet but this one I never see before....

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          #19
          The liner is in oilcloth. Perhaps it is manufactured in Leningrad. Check trademarks.
          Watch this site.
          http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rus39.htm
          Regards. Pippo

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            #20
            Thank you..this Leningrad version someone mentioned too, but I really do not know, no to much info about it...it is early Ssh 39 or Leningrad ersatz version ?

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              #21
              Manufactured by LMZ based in Lysva not Leningrad

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                #22
                Originally posted by GREIF View Post
                Manufactured by LMZ based in Lysva not Leningrad
                Thank you, so it is early 39 helmet ?

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                  #23
                  Ssh-39

                  This is not a standard early Ssh-39. It has non-conforming details. See my modified picture...

                  1) The liner pad band (blue star) is made of fleeced cotton fabric and not from die cut wool felt

                  2) Under the "oil cloth" liner, there are these small pockets for additional padding and sizing (yellow circle). I bet there are 3 of them??? This detail is not found on LMZ factory liners.

                  These details suggest that it is an ersatz liner... the chinstrap further supports this. In my opinion, this is very interesting Blockade helmet... That is a relined early Ssh-39. Relined at some level. In this I mean, it is a bit different than most Blockade helmets that come to market. Most of these have had the entire liner band replaced. This looks like the original liner band, and possibly the original oilcloth part. What is under this is not LMZ factory.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Wesley's Dad View Post
                    This is not a standard early Ssh-39. It has non-conforming details. See my modified picture...

                    1) The liner pad band (blue star) is made of fleeced cotton fabric and not from die cut wool felt

                    2) Under the "oil cloth" liner, there are these small pockets for additional padding and sizing (yellow circle). I bet there are 3 of them??? This detail is not found on LMZ factory liners.

                    These details suggest that it is an ersatz liner... the chinstrap further supports this. In my opinion, this is very interesting Blockade helmet... That is a relined early Ssh-39. Relined at some level. In this I mean, it is a bit different than most Blockade helmets that come to market. Most of these have had the entire liner band replaced. This looks like the original liner band, and possibly the original oilcloth part. What is under this is not LMZ factory.
                    Thank you

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Wesley's Dad View Post
                      This is not a standard early Ssh-39. It has non-conforming details. See my modified picture...

                      1) The liner pad band (blue star) is made of fleeced cotton fabric and not from die cut wool felt

                      2) Under the "oil cloth" liner, there are these small pockets for additional padding and sizing (yellow circle). I bet there are 3 of them??? This detail is not found on LMZ factory liners.

                      These details suggest that it is an ersatz liner... the chinstrap further supports this. In my opinion, this is very interesting Blockade helmet... That is a relined early Ssh-39. Relined at some level. In this I mean, it is a bit different than most Blockade helmets that come to market. Most of these have had the entire liner band replaced. This looks like the original liner band, and possibly the original oilcloth part. What is under this is not LMZ factory.
                      Well observed, good point

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                        #26
                        This is original LMZ helmet, re-issued in blocaded Leningrad, ( liner replaced), due it has been removed after picked up in the fields of Winter War and most probably damaged. Helmets has been stored in Kirov factory for recycling, but during blockade time, restored for use. The cheap leather chinstrap is blockade made. Liner ring is original. The early oilcloth liner is original but just a postwar addition to original blockade ring. It may have a chance that some of the liners in that shape has been made in blockaded Leningrad

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by espenlaub View Post
                          This is original LMZ helmet, re-issued in blocaded Leningrad, ( liner replaced), due it has been removed after picked up in the fields of Winter War and most probably damaged. Helmets has been stored in Kirov factory for recycling, but during blockade time, restored for use. The cheap leather chinstrap is blockade made. Liner ring is original. The early oilcloth liner is original but just a postwar addition to original blockade ring. It may have a chance that some of the liners in that shape has been made in blockaded Leningrad
                          Thank you for info...But how do you know then this liner was add post war ? This helmet was find like it is, I do not belive then someone touched or reworked it post war or put together. Regards

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by espenlaub View Post
                            This is original LMZ helmet, re-issued in blocaded Leningrad, ( liner replaced), due it has been removed after picked up in the fields of Winter War and most probably damaged. Helmets has been stored in Kirov factory for recycling, but during blockade time, restored for use. The cheap leather chinstrap is blockade made. Liner ring is original. The early oilcloth liner is original but just a postwar addition to original blockade ring. It may have a chance that some of the liners in that shape has been made in blockaded Leningrad


                            This helmet does not have a blockade ring. It has the original LMZ factory ring. The fleece cotton pad and small pockets are like those found on blockade liners of the other "cloth sack" style. I would say if any of the blockade liners are original to the period, then this one is as well.

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