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    Soviet WW2 Defense Of Moscow Medals: Really Close Up

    Robert Pierce's recent postings on Sevastapol and Odessa medals got me thinking about how picky and paranoid we have all become about fakes of Soviet awards.

    ALL the Defense, Liberation, and Capture medals are, after all, very crudely made, mass produced, and were often worn by the original recipients on a daily basis for decades-- leaving us with worn, scratched, and buffed down tired old veterans indeed!

    I find it is VERY hard to scan any of these medals:

    There is always some sort of "real color" distortion and or either reflection from whatever may be left of the original gilt finish, or "distortions" through the sort of splotchy discoloration and tarnish most of these seem to end up with.

    I personally NEVER clean any of these medals, ever:

    the brass they are made out of is already soft, and easily scratched as decades of original owner wear so often reveals. Anything used to clean will inevitably strip off whatever remnant of original finish might still be lingering in crevices. And having been buffed down often enough with whatever the Soviet version of "Brasso" was, they are already QUITE worn enough.

    There can surely not have been a SINGLE die ever made for each of these medals-- certainly not for the ones churned out by hundreds of thousands-- and I notice a what I suppose may be either a 'wearing down" of the dies from repeated use, or perhaps something as simple as insufficient or excessive pressure in the striking, because some medals with LESS detail have MORE finish--

    suggesting to me the DIE was worn BEFORE the finish was applied.

    Sometimes I think we can become TOO paranoid, and TOO nitpicky about items that are almost always, after all, mass produced by the Communist version of "lowest bid."

    If anyone would add similar scans, I have done the obverse with just enough of ring showing to tell whether it is soldered loop or shaved down, at 400% life size. Detail closeups will be at 750%, usually.

    Here is Defense of Moscow, Medal #1--
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    Sometime my scanner just shifts and changes apparent color on me without anything I'm doing, so a "bright" closeup may show of a "dull" full obverse. That just highlights the sort of "real color" issue I mentioned. But I will pair each closeup to each obverse.

    On this one, note the spectacular microscopic detail to roof overhangs, window panes-- and mark the assault infantrymen perched on the tank-- especially that fellow on the left!

    Defense of Moscow Medal #1, closeup--
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      Defense of Moscow, Medal #2 at 400% obverse--
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        And a closeup at 750% again, Defense of Moscow Medal #2:

        Note that while there HAS been surface wear and scratching, polishing faces down to tiny grapes with holes for eyes, such wear AFTER the medal was struck would not account for the poor detail to the buildings' low points, nor to the man at far left behind the turret becoming a mere unarmed ghost--magnified this much and under the scanner's color alteration, he is MORE visible than to the eye, which sees only a round blob barely connected to the curl of his neck/shoulder.

        I am NOT suggesting that this "dirt common" medal is a fake, not at all. What I am suggesting is that either multiple dies were used over time and place, which wore out through the stamping process, or that "hand work" in the manufacturing process itself accounts for innumerable small variations that we really should NOT get too concerned about.

        These medals are all more like churned out bus tokens than fine decorations, so the exquisite and miniscule detail that we DO find, is surprising in itself!

        Unfortunately I do not have the technical ability to combine scans in side by side comparisons of specific points: which I encourage those who can to do, especially with your own examples added to these threads.
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          Rick,

          I am really glad to see you start this series of threads for the Soviet campaign medals. To start with, I fully agree with your assumption that there had to be more than 'one set of dies', and that all medals had to identical to the one from this die. In that case, which medal do we pick to be that one? All your points of die-wear, different dies, various mints, surface finishes, dress-wear, etc., etc. are credible issues and should be considered as we go on with this hobby and it's research. I'll post what few medals I do have to make this series a success. It should prove a good aid to any new Soviet medals collector (like myself ).

          Rick, your first medal here is just PERFECT. I've never seen a Soviet medal this clean. It's just mint. Perfect strike. I've got a few Moscow medals to post here as well. I'm looking for any variations whatsoever.

          Here's # 1...
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            # 1 magnified...

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              # 2 Moscow Medal...
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                # 2 magnified...

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                  # 3 Moscow...
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                    # 3 magnified...
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                      Here's my #3 Defense of Moscow Medal at 400%
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                        I'd say my #3 Defense of Moscow Medal most closely resembles Robert's 1st one:

                        the eaves and windows are neither here nor there as far as sharpness goes, but note that in both his and mine here, the left-most infantryman behind the tank turret, although well armed, has his face just scooped out between his upper lip and his "fish fur" cap.

                        I'm sure that is some Mighty Allegorical statue there on the left, but repeated viewings in close up remind me mainly of Karl Marx in a house dress giving a guy in a wheelchair a sword and yelling at him to "Go Fight Germans!"
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                          That's good, Rick, about Stalin. Sad but true. You've been reading history. Are you referring to Stalin's 1942 "Not one step backwards' order? The only native Russians he didn't put to arms were the captured political prisoners(Russian soldiers that had previously surrendered to the Germans) that were liberated from the German POW camps and sent to the Russian Gulag labor camps. I have just finished Antony Beevor's Stalingrad and am nearly halfway through his Fall of the Berlin 1945. Very good reading in both cases.

                          I'm looking forward to others adding their pictures. Hard telling what all we'll find.

                          Robert

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rick Lundström
                            I'm sure that is some Mighty Allegorical statue there on the left, but repeated viewings in close up remind me mainly of Karl Marx in a house dress giving a guy in a wheelchair a sword and yelling at him to "Go Fight Germans!"
                            You heathen, those two old ladies are actually Kusma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky, defenders of mother Russia against Polish/Lithuanian invaders in early 17th century. The statue was done this way, with Pozharsky sitting, because he was a Prince and Minin a layman. The monument was erected in Red Square in 1818 and the inscription on the pedestal reads "To Citizen Minin and Prince Pozharsky from grateful Russia''.

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                              So, what's a few hundred years to dead obscure heroes, right?

                              Better late than never, I suppose, eh?

                              Here's Moscow #4, about a clone of my first one, with better detail remaining but more surface splotching
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