Soviet-uniforms.com

[mosapie]

Has anyone heard of Soviet-uniforms.com?

Good or bad rep?

[STEBALIN]

Very good. The owner is a reputable dealer and a highly experienced collector.

[Clete Erickson]

Top notch guy to deal with. Thanks Clete

[Eric Gaumann]

Yes. Good guy.

[seb16trs]

really too expensive when you take a look at what it really is.

[luftwaffenkopf]

most fascinating item on that site...
http://www.soviet-uniforms.com/items/misc/art10.html

[seb16trs]

most fascinating item on that site...
http://www.soviet-uniforms.com/items/misc/art10.html

and as easy to find and as authentic as Hitlers autographs...

[DougD]

seb16trs,

Can you please clarify your remark? The map is mine, I brought it over in 1996 through a large well known collector in Moscow, and it was sold into a large collection in Europe. I recently bought it back (actually traded for it back) and have it listed, along with a few other items, on the site (the owner s a friend and lets me list a few things now and then). I have sold 2 other Stalin signatures, both though on normal documents.

Now, without having the document in hand, or having any real knowledge of it, you have implied it is not real; if you do not like it, so be it, however you have made a point of more or less saying so on an open forum. Can you please point out specifically what is wrong with the map, signature, or both? I await your response, thank you.

DougD

[seb16trs]

you have implied it is not real;

are you really sure of this point?

now, if you want to put the debate about authenticity, as far as I know genuine AH autographs are relatively easy to find (at high prices of course...).

Otherwise, autographs are a risky business, and I believe the proof is to be brought by the seller, not the customer... a good collector provenance pushes the probabilities of genuineness in the right way, but it cannot establish an absolute proof in itself. So WE should await your response, don't you think?

[Clete Erickson]

seb16trs. I would like to hear more about why you think this might not be a authentic period document signed by Stalin. Thanks Clete

[DougD]

Autographs

My response to what point exactly? You say that I am not even sure of your point (though I think I am); If you were an interested possible buyer I would answer any question you had, as I would anyone with any serious inquiry. However, there is not much to respond to other than your initial comment, and that I have already done.

DougD
PS- agreed, autographs are a very difficult area, especially in the Russian / Soviet collectors market. I think this is one of the reasons the Russian 'paper' market has not kept up with medals / orders or even cloth. It may catch up eventually, but I think the language barrier for the average collector will always keep it somewhat behind.

[seb16trs]

My response to what point exactly? You say that I am not even sure of your point (though I think I am); If you were an interested possible buyer I would answer any question you had, as I would anyone with any serious inquiry. However, there is not much to respond to other than your initial comment, and that I have already done.

DougD
PS- agreed, autographs are a very difficult area, especially in the Russian / Soviet collectors market. I think this is one of the reasons the Russian 'paper' market has not kept up with medals / orders or even cloth. It may catch up eventually, but I think the language barrier for the average collector will always keep it somewhat behind.

indeed I wouldn't be a possible buyer for an item with improbable proofs of authenticity. I already saw on the market Stalins autographs and I'd be curious to be exposed the objective criterias of authenticity. Once again, the proof must be put forward by the seller, not the buyer. Secrecy and mystery are a problem; good faith and honesty are not proofs.

[seb16trs]

seb16trs. I would like to hear more about why you think this might not be a authentic period document signed by Stalin. Thanks Clete

I'll answer: why this should be a genuine document only due to the seller's honesty and reputation?

[DougD]

proofs

I do not think you will ever get 100%proofs unless you actually saw any man sign any document, but to each his own;you get to draw your own conclusions from any situation or item offered and set your own criteria to buy.

That being said, when you imply inauthenticity of an item, then you might be asked to clarify or explain your position, as has happened here.

[seb16trs]

but to each his own.

a whole philosophy

That being said, when you imply inauthenticity of an item, then you might be asked to clarify or explain your position, as has happened here.

...and reciprocally you're still reluctant to explain objectively why it is genuine, this is more disturbing than an obscure statement coming from an obscure guy like me.