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**Eric Gaumann** · 01-16-2009, 06:30 PM

My vote is Medal for Valiant Labor.
And the reason why, IMHO, is that I've seen CSM ribbons with the center, gray portion range in color from light gray to a very purplish gray, and I think there's no reason a MfVL ribbon's center portion cannot vary in the reverse way. In fact, my MfVL ribbon has a very gray center portion to it, almost identical to my (fake) 20RKKA.
Will post a pic tomorrow memory permitting.

**STEBALIN** · 01-17-2009, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post

That it's a perfect ribbon bar, but with the ribbon for the 20 Years of Red Army Medal in the wrong place.

Yes, it is perfect, but because the medal for valiant labor is on the right place instead. If there´s a medal in the wrong place it wouldn´t be perfect, is it?

If this guy had the XX RKKA medal, he would have way more awards than the ones he got. Much more lenins, red banners, and at least one high ranking order (nakhimov, ushakov, khmelnitsky, suvorov, etc.), as well as more high end foreign awards. That medal is not just an anniversary award. It said loudly "Comrade Stalin likes me so I survived the purges!!!" when worn on the recipient´s chest.

I said it before and I say it again: having a ORBL makes a valiant labour medal awarded more plausible than a XX RKKA medal possibly awarded 20 years service started possibly since 1918.

**Wild Card** · 01-20-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post

That it's a perfect ribbon bar, but with the ribbon for the 20 Years of Red Army Medal in the wrong place.

Right.

**Wild Card** · 01-25-2009, 01:19 AM

Fellow Members,

Since this thread has gone idle, several things have come to light which bear on the placement of the 2oth Anniversary of the RKKA medal. First is the thread in this forum, which is listed below (go to post #7) which presents material which places this award after the victory medal.

http://www.medals.lava.pl/ru/ru2.htm

At the same time, I came across an interesting thread over at GMIC which has two photos of officers wearing their 20th Anniversary medals before the victory medal.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=28474&st=0

Also, in “Marshals and Fleet Admirals of the Soviet Union” by Anatoly Kutschenko, there are numerous photos showing this medal being worn before the victory medal.

Taking all of this into consideration, I am inclined to reverse my original position (post #6) and agree that it should go before the victory medal

An interesting footnote. According to McDaniel and Schmitt (“The Big Red Bible”), only ca. 37,000 of these medals were awarded, less than the number of Order of Alexander Nevsky awarded. Adding to their rarity is the fact that it is likely that a good number of recipients (like Bluker) did not live to see 1941; so quite a few of the original 37,000 awards were probably, shall we say, taken out of circulation.

Regards,

Wild Card

**speedytop** · 01-25-2009, 08:23 AM

Hi,

"... showing this medal being worn before the victory medal"

You can see the bar below in the book about the “Marshals and Fleet Admirals of the Soviet Union” by Anatoly Kutschenko on page 116, really this original bar:

Third row with the Medal XXth Anniversary of the Workers and Peasents Red Army, direct behind his first Order of the Red Star (1936), fourth row with the Medal Victory over Germany.

Regards
Uwe

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