need help for visor hat luftwaffe

[rosenrot85]

Hello,

i would like to know what visor hat corresponds with this tunic, someone can help me please?

Best regards,
Laurent

[Collectinsteve]

That's a very nice late 1950s or early 1960s uniform. There are three types of hats, each worn for specific types of duties or preferences:

1. Peaked hat
2. Sidecap
3. M43 cap

Check out these threads:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...267005&page=12

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=5008375

The M43 is the correct type, but the sidecap would needs to have silver piping. The peaked hat is for enlisted ranks. You want one that has two rows of silver oakleaves on the visor and a silver colored metal or bullion wings/wreath combo.

Hope that helps!

Steve

[Steve 5]

That style of tunic came out in 1957, therefore an early Officers peaked cap could also sourced for display with this rather nice early four pocket jacket, one without an embroidered cloth covered peak (from 1959 on I believe) , but as other ranks visor, shiny plastic materiel....here's my Heer version........
Prost ! Steve.

[Klaus1989]

As tunic appear to be for Oberstleutnant from 1957-62 or so, you would need the cap for senior officers with row of silver oakleaves.

From one of the threads, that Steve posted (hopefully TJ not mind, that I repost his photo). This is type of peaked cap for this rank uniform, that you look for.

[rosenrot85]

thank you for your answers! then 3 peaked hat are possible? collectinsteve, klaus and Steeve? what is the difference between this one and the klaus?

[Asbjoern]

This one with the single row of "decoration" (called "Keksrand" (Cookie-border)) is not for senior officers as the Oberstleutnant. Its suitable for Leutnant to Hauptmann.
You need the one Klaus shows for the latest time of use of that type of uniform (pointed shoulderboards) or the one Steve shows for the earlier time (without "decoration")

With the later type I may help you ...

Jens

[Gordon Craig]

rosenrot85,

I think that some comments on your tunic might be helpful here. It has been said that this is an early (Luftwaffe) tunic but we haven't said why. Here are some reasons for saying it is an early tunic.
1-It has pointed shoulder boards. Pointed shoulder boards were discontinued by a BW order published in Nov/Dec of 1962. This order instituted shoulder boards which were round on the end. So this tunic could have been worn, in its present configuration, into early 1963;
2-It does not have a shield on the left sleeve which would be correct for this period.
Given all of these indicators, I would say that the visor cap pictured by Steve 5, with the plain visor without the cloth covering would be your best match for this tunic. With the note that Steve has posted a cap with an army cap badge and you would need one with a Luftwaffe cap badge. An embroidered one for an officer. Enlisted men had metal cap badges.
Here is a picture of Erich Hartman, standing next to General Kammmhuber, wearing the hat I would suggest for you tunic. The photo is dated 1961.

Regards,

Gordon

[Asbjoern]

Gordon, two additions / corrections ... for Heer it is correct that from 1962 on an arm shield with the unit insignia would have been worn. But Luftwaffe (and Marine) naver adopted this and don`t wear arm shileds until today. Second point is that like the Luftwaffe jacktes also the caps were of a bluegrey colour and not dark grey.

Jens

[Gordon Craig]

Jens,

Thanks for your corrections. I got carried away with my generalizations. You are of course direct that the Luftwaffe never wore arm shields do please ignore that as far as the Luftwaffe was concerned.
I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "Second point is that like the Luftwaffe jackets also the caps were of a bluegrey colour and not dark grey." Unless of course you are referring to the fact that the cap Steve posted is gray and Luftwaffe ones are blue. I guess that I wasn't clear here. I was only referring to the visor and not the cap colour. I was only trying to indicate that the cap badge was incorrect for a Luftwaffe officer and I should have said the entire cap is incorrect except for the visor. Instead of offering a point of clarification I seem to have muddied the waters here. I hope between the two of us this makes sense now!
I also should have mentioned that Hartmann was a Oberstleutnant when this photo was taken.

Regards,

Gordon

[Asbjoern]

Gordon, the second point may be a misinterpretation of your sentence regarding the badge... I missunderstood that only the oaklleaves with sorts have to be changed against one with wings to make a Luftwaffe hat out of a Heer hat ...

Jens

[Gordon Craig]

Jens,

Thanks. I wasn't clear in what I said. I should have done a better job on that post.

Regards,

Gordon

[SprogCollector]

Here's another photo showing the early officer cap. As already noted, Hartmann is an Oberstleutnant.

[rosenrot85]

thank you all for your help! I'll try to find an early officer cap like steve 5 version luftwaffe

<Best Regards
Laurent

[SprogCollector]

You'll be looking for one of these. I wish you luck. Mine took several years of searching.

[rosenrot85]

You'll be looking for one of these. I wish you luck. Mine took several years of searching.

Very beautiful!!! thanks for showing I hope to find one faster

Best Regards
Laurent