Winter Camouflage uniforms

[Collectinsteve]

Hmmm... maybe the anorak isn't. Could just be the US style parka without the fake fur? I thought the fake fur was sewn into the hood and clearly there's some with and some without it. Interesting.

Just found some pictures of tags from 1st Model Schneetarn. 1962 is the earliest, 1971 is the latest.

Steve

[Gordon Craig]

Steve,

Glad that you found the pictures of interest.

Regards,

Gordon

[sgtdorango]

So now you guys have gone and made me want winter camo!!....i found this pine needle splotch poncho/cape with hood today and also found a few Swiss winter camo suits tops and bottoms, havent decided if im gonna grab those though......i was hoping someone could help date the poncho, i found these markings and dont know how to decipher them......any help or info will be much appreciated....thanks....mike

[Asbjoern]

The column with the US in the beginning is a contract number, US is the abreviation vor Unterkunfts und Sanitätsmaterial (Quarter and medical stuff) and stands for the department responsible for the purchase of this stuff... the other one is the NSN . Don`t know what the II 270 means ... most often there should be the date somewere else on the ponco...

Jens

[Gordon Craig]

sgtdorango,

Contract numbers starting with US were used in the early days of the BW. They seem to have been used throughout the 60s. After that they started using contract numbers starting with a Q. Do not know the approximate date for the change in contract number prefixes. The snow camo poncho came into use in the early 60s. Possibly as early as 61 or 62. A two piece pine needle suit came into use at about the same time . How long the poncho was in production, or was worn, is unknown to me.
The II/270 mentioned by Jens could refer to size. Sizes on wartime German camo uniforms used Roman numerals IE I, II, III with size III being the largest, if memory serves me right.

Regards,

Gordon

[sgtdorango]

Thanks guys!...i will take a better look at the rest of the poncho for a date, i also thought it was a cool feature that there are very small arrows printed on the edges, i think they are referencing which direction the top of the poncho is when trying to put it on, theres alot of material and its hard trying to get it straight and finding the top and hood when trying to put it on.......thanks again....mike

[uscob]

sgtdorango,

Contract numbers starting with US were used in the early days of the BW. They seem to have been used throughout the 60s. After that they started using contract numbers starting with a Q. Do not know the approximate date for the change in contract number prefixes. The snow camo poncho came into use in the early 60s. Possibly as early as 61 or 62. A two piece pine needle suit came into use at about the same time . How long the poncho was in production, or was worn, is unknown to me.
The II/270 mentioned by Jens could refer to size. Sizes on wartime German camo uniforms used Roman numerals IE I, II, III with size III being the largest, if memory serves me right.

Regards,

Gordon

You're right with the "II" it's the size 2, with 270 cm Legth if unfolded, means, in half it covers 135 cm of the Body from the Shoulders.

[Gordon Craig]

Nico,

Thanks for the confirmation and the explanation of the 270 meaning.

Regards,

Gordon

[chiffonnier]

I came across two reversible parkas,and I think the one in this post is German made.
Fitted with a German Zipp zipper wich is original to this garment.

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[chiffonnier]

This is the second.
US made but it could be used by the BW,judging by the addition of an ärmel-büro at the left shoulder..
This US one has fasteners in the hood and at the bottom of the jacket wich the German one hasn't.
Also the German one doesn't have white buttons as US ones should have.
Just my thoughts though,tell me if I'm right.
All the best,
Kees

[Gordon Craig]

Kees,

Interesting parkas. New ones to me. Perhaps Steve cn help here.

Regards,

Gordon

[Collectinsteve]

They look great! I have no idea if these are BW or not. The pictures of the reversible parkas are few and the details aren't obvious.

If they are general BW issue there should be a label somewhere, or at least the remains of one. It might not be in the usual inside left breast area. Check inside *all* pockets, including the lower ones. Hopefully there is something and that will give us more information. But these might have been experimental or a unit purchase, in which case there might not be anything useful.

Cheers,

Steve

[Asbjoern]

Interesting garments - but I never did see something like this in connection with Bundeswehr (what for sure does never mean that it is not possible...)

To be true and without beeing able to tell why I´d like to put it into the Scandinavian direction ... Sweden or Norvay...

Jens

[chiffonnier]

They look great! I have no idea if these are BW or not. The pictures of the reversible parkas are few and the details aren't obvious.

If they are general BW issue there should be a label somewhere, or at least the remains of one. It might not be in the usual inside left breast area. Check inside *all* pockets, including the lower ones. Hopefully there is something and that will give us more information. But these might have been experimental or a unit purchase, in which case there might not be anything useful.

Cheers,

Steve

Steve;
there are no markings in the "German" made one,neither are there remains of labels or such.
In the US made is a small stamp,see below,but again no other markings or labels.
Also a pic of what I've called an ärmel büro on the US one.
All the best,
Kees