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    Need suggestions and opinions on this Luft uniform set

    Santa just dropped off my Christmas present. An early BW Air Force overcoat and tunic to a former Luftwaffe officer who went on to serve in the BW Air Force. The tunic is, I believe, probably the one he purchased after being promoted to LTC since it is in almost new condition. I think it is an early 1960s piece and the material has a wonderful soft high quality feel to it. While I love it, I need some opinions on how to proceed as the jacket has a stain in the front, which looks like a good dry cleaning could fix, I dont know if with the collar tabs and boards if it can be safely dry cleaned.

    The overcoat is a whole different story. A WW2 piece converted to BW Air Force use, the coat was professionally converted to a six button front by sewing up the old button holes and creating new ones and repositioning the buttons and the cuffbands sewn on. In addition, it was modified to accept slip-on shoulder boards. But, as you can see, the buttons for the boards are gone, as are the boards. The cuff bands, which are beautiful heavy silver bullion pieces with lots of great patina, were removed from the coat at some point and I found them stuffed in one of the pockets. So here is the question, is it worth restoring?
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    More pics of the tunic.
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      #3
      More pics of the overcoat. I think the date on the tag is Sept. 15, 1939. The last name looks like Reibols, but I cant be sure if what comes before it is a name or rank.
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        #4
        First comes "Fj", should be "Fahnenjunker".

        You can give the tunic into dry clean, should be no problem for the tabs and boards. I gave my uniform into dry clean frequently, and it came back unhurt every time.

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          usmedalman,

          The great coat is a very nice artifact and the first WWII coat I have seen converted to BW style. I would replace the cuffbands and have the coat cleaned but that may remove the ink markings on the label inside the coat. A tough call here. The chances of you getting a set of BW Luftwaffe boards to match the cuffbands and the wear on the coat are virtually nil so I wouldn't worry about them. To me the coat is a great piece of history and should be restored as much as possible without destroying any of the historical aspect of it. Both pieces are nice additions to your collection.

          Regards,

          Gordon

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            #6
            Any guesses on the name of this officer candidate? I enhanced the picture of the label a little to help make it easier to read.
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              usmedalman,

              I would take a guess that his last name was "Reibold".

              Regards,

              Gordon

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                #8
                As a comma comes beforse Reibold, the sequence should be rank, last name, first name.

                I know that the German language is difficult ... but just try to learn Japanese and German is easy ...


                So the name is Fahnenjunker Reibold Untraff, if I read it correctly.

                Sorry, Gordon, don't wan't to be the smart-ass ...

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                  #9
                  Hi,

                  Fj.Untroffz > Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier Reibold

                  Uwe

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                    Thanks for all the comments. I received a PM which also confirmed the translation as; Fahnenjunker Unteroffizer Reibold. Thanks.

                    I understand the German Officer Candidate program was quite lengthy, with a mix of schooling/training and field time. How does the rank of Fahnenjunker Unteroffizier fit into the program? Does it simply indicate he was a Unteroffizier when he entered the program or is it an indication of how far along in his Officer Candidate training he is?

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                      Originally posted by speedytop View Post
                      Hi,

                      Fj.Untroffz > Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier Reibold

                      Uwe


                      VERY uncommon abbreviation for Unteroffizier ... may I entertain a doubt?

                      I see a comma, not a "z". Off course, I can be wrong.

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                        Hi RamJet,

                        you may entertain a doubt, but you are to young for such special diction

                        http://www.adressbuecher.net/entry/show/345137

                        http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/2009/w...0-71_thuer.htm

                        You can find other unusual abbreviations like "Untffz"

                        Uwe

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