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Wow... a LW NCO with a German Cross in Gold. That's not a common sight!
SteveComment
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Steve,
Not too common indeed. This guy appears to be a pilot so that makes it more likely he would have a DKiG. I have a tunic very similar to this one. A luftwaffe NCO who was a member of KG51.
Chiffonnier,
Nice pair of photos if they really are the same guyu.
Regards,
GordonComment
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RJKG,
We haven't discussed this badge in this thread it has been mentioned in some others. Good place to talk about it. I don't know enough about these badges to comment on originality but it does appear that some were made for sale in Germany for soldiers qualified to wear it and that there are reproductions of the badge around. It would be good if someone with a good knowledge of these badges could post pictures of a known good badge plus perhaps some repro ones for study.
Thanks for posting your badge.
Regards,
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I don't know how good the repros are, but this looks good to my eyes. Cut edge on straight crossed backing is what I would expect to see in 1950s and early 1960s. My father was in the US 173rd Airborne at the time and I just double checked one of his. Identical in terms of construction. It was probably made in 1959 or 1960.
I don't have his badge on hand (it's at his place in a display case), but it looks good from what I can remember.
SteveComment
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In 1956 the first German paratroopers were trained at the American School in Augsburg, Springer.
They received training after the U.S. Springer badge.
When you bought or bekammen washers, which I know not yet, the black, red, gold.
At that time there were no new German badge.
The German paratroopers got the badge parachutist badge "Basic"
Here are my originals from the collection!Comment
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Kurt,
Thanks for your reply.Your examples definitely look different to mine, but, having said that, mine looks very similar to the example illustrated in Kunstwadl, so there might have been different variants, especially in those early days of the BW.Comment
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RJKG,
I am sure there are variations due to manufacturers. Especially for something that was made in small quantities like this. Whether yours is original or not is something I can't say for sure. All I can say is my father's, which is 1959 or 1960 made, is basically identical to what you have. I'll try and take some pictures of it later on tonight.
SteveComment
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Here are pics of my father's jump qualification backing c.1960:
Cut edges and square mesh backing, same as the BRD example seen in this thread. Also, both backings have a strong diagonal weave from right top to lower left.
SteveComment
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Steve,
Thanks for posting. As you point out, they are certainly of a similar design from the front aspect, although the square mesh on the back is configured diagonally on yours and with an overlap.
Do you have the badge too?Comment
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I attribute the direction of the mesh to be an unimportant detail. We'd need to look at hundreds of these before we could conclude anything about that since it's the sort of thing which could vary from production run to production run or manufacturer to manufacturer. The more important thing is the direction of the cloth weave from the front. Even then we would need to see lots of examples to conclude that means anything either
The overlap is probably just because it was where the backing material on the sheet ended and a new one began. There's no reason I can think of for this to be a purposeful design.
All in all the major elements are consistent and there's nothing inconsistent that bothers me.
The jump wings are in my father's "memories" display case, so yes I have them but I don't have access to it any time soon
SteveComment
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Gents - Another set for comparison. We determined earlier that the lower oval was a modern reproduction and that the top one had a chance.
RJKG - I love your examples!
All the best,
TJComment
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Thomas I'm sorry both a well-known example is copy.
These models with the colors black, red, gold
It was ONLY in the very early time of the German paratroopers.
After the abolition of the German Springer badges you can get it or not buy?Comment
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