Gefechtshelm in the BRD

[Gordon Craig]

Gentlemen,

TJ posted some pictures of a Schubert made G Helm in another thread but I think that a separate thread on these helmets will be a better reference for the future. These pictures are of a G Helm finished in UN blue with UN markings.

[Gordon Craig]

Second set of pictures.

[Gordon Craig]

Third set of pictures.

[Gordon Craig]

Fourth set of pictures.
The numbers in the top left hand corner of the makers stamp are 826. When the Bundeswehr held trials to pick an effective new helmet made with Aramid fibre instead of steel, several makers entered helmets. Because of the requirements put out by the Bundewehr all of the different companies submitted helmets that looked much the same. Schubert submitted their model B-826 and this was the helmet that was the one selected to be adopted by the Bundeswehr. The /94 indicates the year of manufacture. I am not sure of the meaning of the M in the lower right corner but possibly it has to do with size. I have a helmet that I recntly added to my collection that is virtually identical to this G Helm including the markings.

Regards,

Gordon

[uscob]

Fourth set of pictures.
The numbers in the top left hand corner of the makers stamp are 826. When the Bundeswehr held trials to pick an effective new helmet made with Aramid fibre instead of steel, several makers entered helmets. Because of the requirements put out by the Bundewehr all of the different companies submitted helmets that looked much the same. Schubert submitted their model B-826 and this was the helmet that was the one selected to be adopted by the Bundeswehr. The /94 indicates the year of manufacture. I am not sure of the meaning of the M in the lower right corner but possibly it has to do with size. I have a helmet that I recntly added to my collection that is virtually identical to this G Helm including the markings.

Regards,

Gordon

Shell size

[Towarish]

Gentlemen,
attached you can find photos of my kevlar. Sorry for the poor quality but I made the photos outside.
The lid itself is unmarked.
Please excuse that I didn't took off the cover. The cover itself is reversible from Flecktarn to Schneetarn. Many of the new issued covers are reversible from Flecktarn to Tropentarn (desert camo)

The camo was made out of some Pi-Schnurr (German paracord) an old sandbag and a small piece of a U.S. camo-net.
The goggles are a pair of ESS NVG goggles with speed sleeve.
If you have any questions, ask right away.

Cheers,
Phil
Right side


Left side


Front


Back side


Inside

[Guardian 5]

Phil - Great looking lid! The photos were perfect.

There's nothing I enjoy more than gritty details, and you supplied plenty. I had no idea that the Bundeswehr had adopted reversible helmet covers (flecktarn to desert).

When the use of googles became widespread in the US Army beginning in 2002, many Soldiers would use an old green sock to make a cover for their goggles. This helped with cutting down the glare and camo, but wasn't effective in keeping out dust. Then the Army started issuing black google covers like yours. Great for protecting the goggles but lousy for camo, especially against the old three pattern desert camo pattern. Nowadays, the issue goggle covers match the camo cover on the helmet and all is well.

Does the black cover stand out a lot in Northern Europe?

Below is a picture of me in my lid with my privately purchased goggle cover. It helped hide the black fixture attached to the front of the helmet to accomodate Night Observation Devices (NODS), but there was nothing I could do about the woodland pattern Indvidual Body Armor (IBA) worn over the the desert camouflage; I stood out like a sore thumb!

Thanks again - TJ

[Gordon Craig]

Phil,

Are there any markings in your helmet?

Regards,

Gordon

[Towarish]

Phil - Great looking lid! The photos were perfect.

Thanks for the kind words, TJ.

Does the black cover stand out a lot in Northern Europe?

Well, it kinda depents on the environment. I don't have the goggles sitting on my helmet all the time.
I used to have a pair of old US M44 (Sun-Wind-Dust Goggles) on my helmet which were quite nice. -
This pair of goggles were actually a spare part of my US collection but they were only catching dust, hance they are back in service.

Below is a picture of me in my lid with my privately purchased goggle cover. It helped hide the black fixture attached to the front of the helmet to accomodate Night Observation Devices (NODS), but there was nothing I could do about the woodland pattern Indvidual Body Armor (IBA) worn over the the desert camouflage; I stood out like a sore thumb!

Thats a nice photo right there...I'd say it was taken around 2004?
What was your MOS?
I have got a couple of Interceptor Body Armor(s) IBA and ACH in my collection.
I can post some photos of my half mannequins if requested.

Cheers,
Phil

Phil,

Are there any markings in your helmet?

Regards,

Gordon

Hello Gordon,

nope, there are no markings on this lid.

It's totally unmarked (except that I wrote my name and service number under the sweatband).

Phil

[Gordon Craig]

Phil,

Thanks for the response. Interesting that it has no markings inside.

Regards,

Gordon

[Collectinsteve]

A related question... does anybody know anything about a helmet cover that is reversible between temperate and desert Flecktarn?

Steve

[hoover]

No official pattern, but there are covers to buy in army shops. Some "geardos" wore them on my last reserve exercise. Oh, if you could see all the privatley puchased gear and clothings in the Bundeswehr...

[Towarish]

No official pattern, but there are covers to buy in army shops. Some "geardos" wore them on my last reserve exercise. Oh, if you could see all the privatley puchased gear and clothings in the Bundeswehr...

There is nothing wrong with private purchased gear, as long as its no knock-off crap from china (you name it).
I stick with Sabre and Linderhof Tactic.
Anyways, back to topic.

[hoover]

There is nothing wrong with private purchased gear, as long as its no knock-off crap from china (you name it).
I stick with Sabre and Linderhof Tactic.
Anyways, back to topic.

No, there is northing wrong, but in the past years I noticed that especially those are buying extra kit who not really need it (staff members etc).

But BTT: I don´t know, but maybe there are prototypes of reversible helmet covers?

[Gordon Craig]

Gentlemen,

Interesting comments about private purchase items being used by serving service personnel. I must see if I can not get myself one of those helmet covers.

Now on with the G helme pictures. This is a helmets without the cover. Note the round rivets on the side. These are the standard shaped rivets found on G helme and are very different from the bolt and nut system used to attach the liner to the helmet on the UN style helmets shown earlier in this thread. The second picture gives a good vie of the rubber edging around the bottom of the helmet. It also shows a properly adjusted chin strap and the adjustment straps that are on both sides of the helmet.