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[Kreitzer]

Hi all,

A few weeks ago, i asked you some help to date a tunic i just bought.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=437155

I'm working to complete the vest as better i could. (Jens...please !)
Some informations about it :

- Dated October 1970
- Wehrbereichskommando 4
- Nachschubkompanie 740
- Mainz


Later, i bought to an "Ausgeh" one from the same seller and from the same sanitater guy. I wanted to have the "Brustanhänger" and a small badge (i will have to show it to you cause i don't what it is ).

That is...

My problem is, but it 's the problem we have all, as Collectinsteve and his 3 caps. .

Do i have to buy some of those badges if i want to complete it as a 1970's one ?
Or better do you know when it were designed and carried by the BW army ?



Thank you for your help and opinions.

If my englis is not undertadable, just tell me, i could rewrite my post.

Regards. Redge

[Asbjoern]

Hej!

You don´t have to buy one of these items to complete an uniform from the 70ies...

Item # 1 is just a kind of fancy decoration, nothing official

Item # 2 is the badge worm on the beret, not on the tunic

Item # 3 is a Tätigkeitsabzeichen. showing the special profession of the soldier, invented in the mid 80ies. If something like this was attached to your tunics - maybe they where used up to this time - you would see some holes just above the right breast pocket made by the pins of this kind of badge.

But you should alter something on tunic # 2: The Brusthänger (the little emblem on leather base) is worn on the other side and buttoned under the flap of the pocket and the shooting lanjard is worn on two special little buttons: One on the shoulder under the shoulderboard just beside the seam of the sleeve and the other one under the foldet collar part above the last regualar metal button.

Regards,

Jens

P.S.: Going to all my ties only a late 70ies one apearded... nothing from the early 70ies/late 60ies.

[Kreitzer]

OK thank you Jens for your helpfull answer.

For the 2 and 3 items, i was thinking to it was items made after 70,s.

By the way just a word about the first item. (N° 1 and 1 bis)
I have found it on Wikipedia. (german language)



on the middle of this page.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentral...der_Bundeswehr

the picture i gave you, guys, is from my seller, i have already moved the effects as needed.

thank you again Jens.

[Kreitzer]

Hi again.

Which book do i need to have to avoid these kind of questions and doubts ?

The Reibert ?
Another one ?

Maybe someone have a scan about Sanitätsdienst ?

[uscob]

Hi again.

Which book do i need to have to avoid these kind of questions and doubts ?

The Reibert ?
Another one ?

Maybe someone have a scan about Sanitätsdienst ?

ZDv 37/10 Anzugordnung für die Soldaten der Bundeswehr.

[Collectinsteve]

I'm curious what the date is on the 2nd tunic (Ausgehen). I thought this particular quality of uniform came a little later in the 1970s or early 1980s. If this is from around 1970... that's good information to have

Steve

[Asbjoern]

Steve, with having no more information then the picture above I would say tunic # 2 is a privatly purchased, tailor made (or at least Kleiderkasse (KKB) made) jacket which will have no date tag inside... the glossy lining plus the collar tabs - which look like the ones made from metalized thread - plus the unit badge which looks like "a better one" are my evidence for this ...

Regards,

Jens

[Kreitzer]

Good job guys, i think you're right both.

look at that.



That the "label" on the "ausgeh" one.

My first one it dated with 1970. It was assigned to the classes in 1972 in Kempten - Allgäu

This one... maybe later as said. I can imagine easyli that an "ausgeh" jacket could be awarded later in the career.
Don't you think it to ?

[Asbjoern]

...this is for sure a private purchased jacket! It must not be bought later on ... maybe it´s only a kind of "sundays" dress while the issued tunic was worn every day. As the wearer was in a bureaucratic branch of the BW he would have worn the Dienstanzug everyday, so it makes sense to have a first class version for really important events ...

...and no matter what wikipadia says on the badge - to my opinion it is nothing official ! The fact that it is sold by the LHD is proof ... beside the official stuff this semi public company also sells lots of memorabilia of which some stuff may be accepted to be worn on on the uniform without being conform to the regulations (the above mentioned ZDv37_10)!

Jens

[Kreitzer]

You're probably right Jens;
we must be very skeptical towards wikipedia
is probably the badge's manufacturer who made the article.
After all wikipedia is made with anyone who says anything!

[speedytop]

Hi,

I can not find the special badge in the regulations, but I can find it in several official publications.

In silver:

http://www.sanitaetsdienst-bundesweh...DE/content.jsp

in gold:

http://www.sanitaetsdienst-bundesweh...DE/content.jsp

and both:

http://www.sanitaetsdienst-bundesweh...DE/content.jsp

Uwe

[uscob]

Got the info that they're used now to ID Medical Personel from "normals" at the BW Hospitals as they're normally without Jacket. After the holiday Season I'm back at the Wachbataillon, then I can ask the Professionals.
As CPT and LTC they must know about these things.

[Guardian 5]

Bundeswehr Experten - Thanks for weighing in and helping out our new member Kreitzer (and one of the moderators........)

All the best - TJ

[Kreitzer]

It's exactly what I was thinking !

Very nice teamwork to solve the problem.

[uscob]

Bundeswehr Experten - Thanks for weighing in and helping out our new member Kreitzer (and one of the moderators........)

All the best - TJ

TJ, I'm not an expert, but if I know something and can help, I'll do so