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    #106
    Marking say SW (= Schuberth Werke), not BW. It appear Nov. 84 date? BGS helmets also had NSN during period, that these helmets were used. Some of these helmets were also supplied by BGS to SEK units, which could explain the colour and NSN. Not sure, if GSG9 ever adopted the duller green of post-1976 regular BGS. This style liner and chinstrap was not used in any of the Bw prototypes.

    Markings from GSG9 helmet liner posted on another forum:



    Regards
    Klaus

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      #107
      Klaus,

      Thanks for the clarification on the helmet marking. I didn't know that the BGS used NATO stock numbers for a while. Useful information.

      Regards,

      Gordon

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        #108
        Originally posted by Gordon Craig View Post
        Klaus,

        Thanks for the clarification on the helmet marking. I didn't know that the BGS used NATO stock numbers for a while. Useful information.

        Regards,

        Gordon
        NSN was introduced around 1974 for NATO, if I remember correct. First appear on BGS equipment in mid-late 70s, much BGS equipment from 1980s seem to have it.

        Regards
        Klaus

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          #109
          Thinking about it, it makes sense for them to use NATO stock numbers. In the event of a war the BGS would be subordinated to NATO forces either officially or in fact. It makes sense to have a supply infrastructure that could easily adapt to that scenario.

          Steve

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            #110
            Originally posted by Collectinsteve View Post
            I miss George's shop in DC. I discovered it just before he shut it down. I still have fond memories of what was there, even though at the time I was just starting and had very little clue what stuff was. Man, if I went there now with $2000 cash in my pocket I think I'd walk out owing him $2000 even after emptying my pockets

            Sorry for the tangental thought. Carry on

            Steve
            Sorry for bumping this thread to quote something I wrote 5 years ago, but I saw this tonight while researching FJ helmets and got a chuckle out of my comments about George Peterson and his long closed shop.

            Last year I wound up with an opportunity to spend a day with George as he was liquidating a deceased friend's collection that had gone missing for more than 10 years. The above quote by me was a pretty good prediction since I went there with a lot more than $2000 and left him with even less than I started with. That was a very expensive, but very enjoyable, day George is one of a kind.

            Sadly, someone had high graded all the WW2 German and early Bundeswehr items out of the collection before I got there. On the plus side, if they had still been there I would have cost me 10 times as much because divorce lawyers aren't cheap

            Steve

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              #111
              Steve,

              Interesting to hear that Gorge is still in the business. I visited his shop, actually part of a warehouse, in Springfield, VA a couple of times. Still have some of the uniforms that I bought from him. That is where I picked up the application form to become a member of the SOEGMC. Such fond memories!

              Regards,

              Gordon
              Last edited by Gordon Craig; 11-08-2015, 08:43 AM.

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                #112
                Another 1975 GSG-9 helmet converted to WW2 fake:



                http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bundeswehr-St...gAAOSwirZTwtFz

                Same stamp as we've seen in this thread. Smooth finish, though I don't know if that is original or not since it has been repainted.

                The interesting thing to me is the leather color. It's gray instead of green to match the helmet cover. Did any GSG-9 helmets come with gray leather or did this person put a repro set on or somehow alter the color (I suppose it could be a paint??).

                Steve

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                  #113
                  Here's another odd FJ type helmet:

                  http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fallschirmjae.../231790440697?

                  This one has a correct looking stamp which says production was Märtz 58 and was supposedly used by a soldier of FJR3. Yet the liner is the type one would expect to see in a BGS helmet.

                  Steve

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                    #114
                    Look to me like GSG 9 helmet, that someone try to make look like Bundeswehr. Liner look wrong for Bw trial helmet models and not think, that Bw used NSN at this time. Something odd about the März 58 stamp. Possibly faded out original date and stamped over. Very sloppy and mismatched compared to GSG 9 stamps above.

                    Regards
                    Klaus

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                      #115
                      Yup, there's some "red flags" there for sure. The liner being the biggest. Could be someone scraped the year off that stamp and put their own "58" on.

                      Since I am here, I will say that today I received what appears to be a genuine 1950s BW FJ helmet. I will post pictures when I have a chance. The interesting thing is the helmet appears to have been reissued to GSG-9 or perhaps Polizei SEK. I say this because the helmet was obviously originally in the BW gray color but the outside and lower inside were painted painted dark green. After it was repainted the helmet had a lot of use. In many places the hand painted green paint is scratched off and the original BW paint is visible (the inside part under the liner is original BW paint color). Also, it has the WW2 style "holes" liner.

                      Having said that, I am not going to pop champagne corks until others make similar conclusions to mine. There's always a chance I've missed a "red flag".

                      Steve

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                        #116
                        Since I'm on a screwed up sleep schedule, and everybody else is sound asleep, I'm catching up on collecting stuff. Beats lying awake in bed annoyed I can't sleep

                        Here is my newly arrived helmet. I'm pretty sure it's a legit, repurposed (GSG-9?) 1950s BW helmet. I'm curious to know if anybody else thinks so!



                        Good look at the liner. It is in excellent condition, which oddly enough seems to be fairly normal for these helmets. At least judging by the other examples in this thread.



                        Closeup of the dark green/blue paint that was applied over BW looking grey. Lots and lots and lots of scrapes, scratches, and dings since the overpaint was applied.



                        It's very hard to see the color differences, but the inside rim is the over paint color while the rest is in original BW looking gery paint. If you look very closely you can see some of the green paint on the metal of the liner, which seems to indicate the paint was applied without removing the liner first:



                        Besides the "59" size stamp in the back (consistent with other examples shown in this thread), there appears to have been a BW acceptance stamp on the rim pf the liner. It looks like it was scraped off:



                        Closeup of the chin straps:



                        Steve

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                          #117
                          Look like Bw to me too, everything seem to be correct. Because of the paint colour and smooth finish, more likely to be SEK than GSG 9. I know, that early SEK had multiple helmet sources and variations (due to supply problems). Interesting find!

                          Regards
                          Klaus

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                            #118
                            So far that is 2 votes in favor of it being original and 0 votes against. I like where this is headed

                            I am going to talk with the WH guys and see what their recommendations are for getting the SEK paint off. I might try it, I might not. Depends on what they advise.

                            Steve

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                              #119
                              Originally posted by Collectinsteve View Post
                              Another 1975 GSG-9 helmet converted to WW2 fake:



                              http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bundeswehr-St...gAAOSwirZTwtFz

                              Same stamp as we've seen in this thread. Smooth finish, though I don't know if that is original or not since it has been repainted.

                              The interesting thing to me is the leather color. It's gray instead of green to match the helmet cover. Did any GSG-9 helmets come with gray leather or did this person put a repro set on or somehow alter the color (I suppose it could be a paint??).

                              Steve
                              I now(foolishly maybe)own this helmet.

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                                #120
                                Looking to ID the user of this helmet - is it GSG 9, KSK or FJ ?
                                Liner has the stamp from 1973.

                                Thanks !



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