Very Early Schirmmützen

[SprogCollector]

I was looking through some of the older threads and was curious if anyone could answer this question for me. Did the original Bundesmarine Schirmmützen share the same style visor as the early Heer and Luftwaffe caps? By this, I'm asking if the Marine caps had plain black visors for officers in the same way the other services did?

I've presumed the navy caps continued with the cloth visors with embroidered edging. In looking at the drawings from my question on naval Dienstmützen, I noted the officer caps had plain visors except for admirals.

[speedytop]

Hi SprogCollector,

"Did the original Bundesmarine Schirmmützen share the same style visor as the early Heer and Luftwaffe caps?"

Yes, till June 1959.
Heer and Luftwaffe changed it in 1962.

Uwe

[SprogCollector]

Hi SprogCollector,

"Did the original Bundesmarine Schirmmützen share the same style visor as the early Heer and Luftwaffe caps?"

Yes, till June 1959.
Heer and Luftwaffe changed it in 1962.

Uwe

Thanks, Uwe. I now wonder how many early officer visors I missed due to thinking they were NCO visors with officer mützenkranz added

Would I be correct in that pre-1959 naval schirmmützen would essentially be identical for officers and senior NCOs (plain black visors and, at least initially, the same metal cap badge)?

I'm assuming the embroidered cap badges came along about the same time as the Heer and Luftwaffe -- i.e late 1950s?