Please help i.d. the armorial intaglio.

[John Pen.]

Greetings all,
I picked this ring up several years ago in Stockholm. It is 18 karat gold with an inaglio citrine(?) stone depicting a courant dog, fox or wolf with it's head looking back, with a Ducal coronet over the shield. I know, by the makers mark that it was made by a London silversmith who was active in the early 18th century, 1816-1835. From top to bottom ring measures about 2cm or 3/4". Any info of meaning of the origins of the crest would be much appreciated. Also, intaglio stone does have chipping to some edges.

Here are some pics. If you have any questions please ask. Also, is this the best forum for this?

[Gaspare]

J., ,Bad photos but a really nice ring! A real beauty.,

Looks like you did some hallmark work already so no doubt about it being authentic.. The heraldic emblem can sometimes be tough to identify. Usually the more intricate the harder it is.
I got a feeling you hit a bunch of heraldic sites and English jewelry/gold sites your going to get lucky..

[John Pen.]

Thanks Gaspare,
My eyes hurt from looking at thousands of Heraldic images online, but I'll keep trying.
I tried my best on photos but it's a tough shot, so they still came out bad.
regards,
Jp

[John Pen.]

maybe this shot helps? uhgg. it's a tough one. ...oh, and ooops sorry, I meant early 19th century!

[Gaspare]

- you could also try a wax impression to see it better..

You've got to do the leg work. You will find out what your looking for!

Post on these sites and any others you can find. The members on these sites don't check in on the drama like us guys,,sometimes they only check in once a week so patience is the key.. Good luck and let us know what you find out....

http://www.antique-jewelry-investor....r-sitemap.html

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....tag=ab-jewelry

http://forum.langantiques.com/viewfo...2c571318a0f957

[John Pen.]

Gaspare,
Thank-you alot!
My eyes are burning from scouring the internet.
This is a near impossible task. It may not be (reasonably) possible to i.d. this coat of arms. There must be tens of thousands of different varieties.
I did get some very helpful information from one of our(generous) fellow members here, J C Gray, he said;

"I cannot identify the individual to whom these arms belong, but I can give you a few points which may help you in further research.
I will start by saying that this (or any other coat of arms) is NOT a 'Crest'. In heraldry, a Crest only refers to the object or group of objects which sit atop the shield...in this case the Coronet. The coronet shown on this coat of arms is actually that of a Marquis, as denoted by four Strawberry Leaves and as many Pearls (these are obviously not visible on the reverse of the Coronet.
The Field (background) to the Shield is Azure (blue) as denoted by the horizontal tincture hatching.
The Main Charge on the shield is a Talbot (hunting hound) correctly identified as Courant (running) with the additional features of being Reguardant (looking back) and Contourne (facing to heraldic left or Sinister). The tincture (colour) of this hound is Argent (silver) as denoted by the absence of any hatching and the Terrasse (grass) over which it is running would be Vert (green) by default.
The Blazon for this Armourial achievement would be as follows:-
Azure, a Talbot Courant Reguardant and Contourne Argent, a Terrasse in Base and for the Crest a Marquis Coronet."

Anyway here's a couple of better pics
Thanks for looking.
Jp

[Beau Brummel.]

- you could also try a wax impression to see it better..

You've got to do the leg work. You will find out what your looking for!

Post on these sites and any others you can find. The members on these sites don't check in on the drama like us guys,,sometimes they only check in once a week so patience is the key.. Good luck and let us know what you find out....

http://www.antique-jewelry-investor....r-sitemap.html

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....tag=ab-jewelry

http://forum.langantiques.com/viewfo...2c571318a0f957

That was going to be my suggestion. If you do an Impression It will me much clearer. Beutiful Intaglio In It's original Georgian mount, congratulations.

[Gaspare]

Crest / Coronet: Great info there!

Might take a little time but something will come in on it,,always when you least expect it.. Keep us posted.......

[John Pen.]

Thanks guys,
O.k. I stopped being cheap and got off my butt to get to the craft shop to pick up the proper wax. I had been trying with some jewellers carving wax, needless to say it didn't work, but I sure wasted a half a day
So I just made some nice(er) impressions, but maybe now I need a proper MACRO lens because I'm still not getting excellent images. Anyway they are better and in a variety of colors and lighting angles etc. Thanks for looking.
p.s. the "lumps" and abnormalities are from the chipped Citrine.

Also, here are a few of more pics of the actual ring, incuding makers mark.

[NBolinger]

crown

Looks like a British Marquess Crown or Earls Crown very cool ring!! Late 18th Century or early 19th Century.

[Beau Brummel.]

What's the thing In the clover leaf shaped stamp? It looks slightly like the leapoards head motife. If so then this Is a London made piece. You look In that case to have a set of hallmarks which from left to right read; makers mark, London, and the purity of the gold which In this case looks to be 18 carrat. Some better macro photos of the hallmarks would be handy. I'll dig out my book and see if I can find the manufacturer.

Yours, Guy.

[John Pen.]

Thank-you Guy(Beau), NBolinger and Gaspare for your comments it’s really encouraging that you appreciate and show an interest in the ring.

I’ve have been meaning to update you with more info that I found, but am now just getting to post it now.

I know the maker of the ring. It has the makers mark with initials IET for the silversmith, John Edward Terrey & Co.(active 1810-1844)

Here are some examples of his mark on some silver pieces that I found online;




Here are some of the sources for above images;

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5008955

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5150384

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1998.459

http://www.sothebys.com/app/ecatalog...3&SIZE=smaller

http://www.steppeshillfarm.co.uk/sales1.asp?stock=AD1A

http://www.bexfield.co.uk/00/b0200.htm

http://www.myfamilysilver.com/fu/a-v....aspx?id=16376

Thanks for looking. Will post more as I find it. Also, Guy, I don't know what that clover looking mark is. It's hard to make out, I've given up on i.d.ing it until I get another example of a clear mark that I can match it to. I'll attempt to get a clearer pic of it for you, maybe you can have better luck. Thanks again.
Cheers,
John