para helmet

[jelle]

Ya but have you seen one? I doubt it. There is no post war BMB stamp in WW2 style since none were made until 1950's. Show me one. And prove me wrong.

Hi Kelly,I own you a appologie as I now think my statement is incorrect,I was sure I had seen 53 or 54 dated liners with the same stamp but checking my refrences I failed to come up with any evidence.
Just next time open a thread before you put it on ebay and put in a link to a forum

[Kelly w]

Thanks Jelle and all. The reason i'm defensive is because I relied on your guys info on Jan 24 thread as correct and then went out and bought this helmet from France.

I also do my homework. Remember I'm the guy that saved that Hong Kong collector from paying $720 pound for a repro para that later sold for like $75 pound.

I have searched forever on google and 2-3 para books and their simply is no evidence of a 1946,47,48,49,50 dated helmet BMB with same war time stamp.

I believe until proven otherwise that it's a WW2 helmet with post war paint job. And the price reflects that as I am not greedy and will take best offers.

[Kelly w]

GAry J where are you lol. I'm waiting on your expert opinion lol.

[SMP]

I wouldn't mind betting that the post-war paint could be easily removed with the careful application of paint-stripper. I think the inside paint of this one supports it being a WW2 helmet.

( Hey Guy - just a thought - was it common to stuff a lit dog-end behind your ear during WW2 ? )

Regards,
Steve

[Beau Brummel.]

I'm not sure Steve but I can see where you're going. Seriously though, It's rot , honest guvnor!

Yours, Guy.

I wouldn't mind betting that the post-war paint could be easily removed with the careful application of paint-stripper. I think the inside paint of this one supports it being a WW2 helmet.

( Hey Guy - just a thought - was it common to stuff a lit dog-end behind your ear during WW2 ? )

Regards,
Steve

[Kelly w]

I wouldn't mind betting that the post-war paint could be easily removed with the careful application of paint-stripper. I think the inside paint of this one supports it being a WW2 helmet.

( Hey Guy - just a thought - was it common to stuff a lit dog-end behind your ear during WW2 ? )

Regards,
Steve

Sounds like good idea Steve but... I have seen helmets after the stripper removed paint and it looks patchy as some of original paint is lost too???

[Greg B]

[QUOTE=SMP;3218264]I wouldn't mind betting that the post-war paint could be easily removed with the careful application of paint-stripper. I think the inside paint of this one supports it being a WW2 helmet.


Steve, I'd never ever put paint stripper on any helmet no matter how carefull. If anybody wants to try something perhaps a little oven cleaner. But I can tell just buy looking at Kellys lid that the postwar paint has been there a long time, fairly certain it will be either of a leadbased or enamel type paint. A we swab of meths will tell you straight away if its an acrylic. Regardless it will be very difficult to remove.

[Greg B]

Thanks Jelle and all. The reason i'm defensive is because I relied on your guys info on Jan 24 thread as correct and then went out and bought this helmet from France.

### A little tip young Kelly, you can attract more Bees with honey than with Vinegar.
Why would you rely on the replys of these forum members without showing the helmet ? And then proseed to buy a period helmet with a postwar paint job. Thats just dumb and impulsive.

And Kelly there is no such thing as an expert in any field of collecting just some that from experience and time have developed more knowllege and a heightened scence of awareness in there chosen collecting field...


I also do my homework. Remember I'm the guy that saved that Hong Kong collector from paying $720 pound for a repro para that later sold for like $75 pound.

###Whats this got to do with the price of cheese? ABSOLUTELY Nothing. you need to go out and learn how to save your own neck befor buying postwar re-painted helmets . Memberes here could of saved you from wasting your money on this helmet had you posted pics rather than just proseed to buy a lid with an ovious postwar repaint based on some questions about the liner markings


I have searched forever on google and 2-3 para books and their simply is no evidence of a 1946,47,48,49,50 dated helmet BMB with same war time stamp.

###Not everything comes down to A BOOK OR A GOOGLE, Just recently a size 73 fj shell came to the surface whch has re-written the books. The majority of experienced FJ collector condemmed such a size. There is still much yet to learn for every one and as time passes more will come to the surface

I believe until proven otherwise that it's a WW2 helmet with post war paint job. And the price reflects that as I am not greedy and will take best offers.

###There's many other possibilities, Liner very well could be original but I personally dont like the interia of this lid . The edge of the rim doesn't show any remnants of the period paint colour chips/flakes. Whos to say this shell hasn't had a replaced liner. Anyway regardless of what you and I think that is a rediculous price for this helmet but as you have proved
...they are out there

One more question.....Are you a dealer or just a novice Collector? And what were you hoping by starting this thread

[Kelly w]

Well I knew it was post war paint. As my first para purchase as yes a novice, I just wanted a true WW2. And this is what it is. But I have purchased another already that I will keep for awhile.

I collect head gear from all WW2 related countries. This is just a part time fun hobby for me. I don't need the money. I buy more then I need and sell off the extras to support my collection. Also have relatives in Eastern Canada, Ottawa, that find me pattern 37 gear.

My intent was to confirm the helmet as a WW2. You veteran UK forum guys know the most about these things. And as a group have seen almost everything out there as far as British WW2.

[Greg B]

Kelly, a picture speaks a thousand words and I would suggest next time, post a pic of the helmet . But in saying that a hands on especially indetermining a possible repaint, removal of liner etc is nearly always the best option but of coarse you need to know what your looking for.


My advise is dont give the the 50/50 helmets any consideration at all. If moneys not an issue then just buy the ones you dont need to defend or try and convince your self of . It will be money well spent in the long run, I learnt that very earlier on over a 10 year period collecting German Helmets.

Greg

[Beau Brummel.]

Kelly, a picture speaks a thousand words and I would suggest next time, post a pic of the helmet . But in saying that a hands on especially indetermining a possible repaint, removal of liner etc is nearly always the best option but of coarse you need to know what your looking for.


My advise is dont give the the 50/50 helmets any consideration at all. If moneys not an issue then just buy the ones you dont need to defend or try and convince your self of . It will be money well spent in the long run, I learnt that very earlier on over a 10 year period collecting German Helmets.

Greg

Very wise words!

Always buy the very best you can afford and If you can attributed Items. I got so sick of the prices of German and Brit gear going through the roof that I stopped collecting. I had a bit of an moment of clarity one might say. 5000 for an unattributed single decal para lid. Or the same money for an attributed MAC V SOG grouping with period pictures of the items In wear, I know what I'd rather have these days.

Yours, Guy.

[Gary Jucha]

Paint

Well .. I'm a little late on this one ...

The paint certainly looks like a post factory job .. whether WW2 or not .. who knows ??

The liner, ... whether a "convenient" area of rot or otherwise .. it has concealed the true date of the liner at least !

Personally ... I would have let this one go ... as there are quite a few variables with this helmet.

Cheers

Gary J.

[jelle]

Just one more thing Kelly about being greedy,I believe anyone has a right to make a profit.But making up a story in your Ebay add that it came from France and maybe was left there,i dont agree with!I know you bought it from the Netherlands ,from Rob[hiverdiche] in Breda,through Ebay and you paid 215 pounds for it!Which is only 315 dollars,half your askingprice!I believe its worth no more than this.

Regards Johan

[DJT]

That contradicts what you say in your auction description.

Well I knew it was post war paint.

[Kelly w]

Just one more thing Kelly about being greedy,I believe anyone has a right to make a profit.But making up a story in your Ebay add that it came from France and maybe was left there,i dont agree with!I know you bought it from the Netherlands ,from Rob[hiverdiche] in Breda,through Ebay and you paid 215 pounds for it!Which is only 315 dollars,half your askingprice!I believe its worth no more than this.

Regards Johan

YEs but ask him where he bought it. France!!!! It came from France, I just bepassed the Netherland purchase. He bought it a month or so before selling it, for way cheaper then he sold it. I do not make $*@^ up. $215 pound cost me $375 CDN.

So please sir before you accuse someone of fraud, get your facts straight. And your math needs work.