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    A Great Militaria Sale Story - Less than a day old!

    This really is an amusing story, a case of me being to lazy to research the militaria I`m selling and collectors being even more dumber than me for not snatching my hand off!

    This is the story:

    About four years ago I bought an interestng pair of binoculars from a charity sale for 5 pounds. These bino's were by the German agent for Bar and Stroud ,Gorez. The binoculars are contained in a rather fanatsic leather case with the German quick release mechanism and even stitching around the buckles on the strap to protect them from corrosion; a real sign of quality. The binocoulars are clearly marked *ARMY*. What however made these binocolars interesting is that engraved upon the body are the initials N. S. L. and the Year 1913. No doubt most of us have seen cases that have names or initials impressed into the leather or even scratched, hand engraving struck me as a little unusual which is why I bought them.

    So, last week I decided to list them on eBay. I`m not really a collector of binoculars so I thought I wouldnt miss them. I listed them with a start price of 10 pounds. I`m a strong believer that if you can double you money for anything your doing well. Almost four days had gone and I had receieved no bids.

    At the weekend I visited a dealers shop and noted the price of inferior pairs. Afer coming home I put the price up to 25 pounds.......still a pittance in my mind. A week earlier buyers had paid 40 pounds for a pair with out case just because they had the 1918 date on them!

    The final day of the seven day auction comes around, Ive got 12 'bargain hunter' watchers and no bidders. So this morning having some time on my hands I decided to research the initials N.S.L using my medal research skills. When listing this lot I did actually photograph the initials and mention that a quick look up in an army list would reveal the owner. Maybe people assumed that I had already done this reasearch and it turned out to be some guy in a second rate unit? These were my findings:

    N. S. L.

    The Honary Neville Stephen Lytton ..........Colonel.........1908 Olympic Tennis Record Holder, WW1 War Artist (art exhibited at the Imperial War Museum).

    Oh and please dont think I just found this information as easy as that, it took 5 hours of trawling through the London Gazette and the Times.

    Now i`m wondering why I received no bids on this lot? Do you think 25 pounds was too much money for a pair of binos carried by one of Britians most famous war artists?

    Ive withdrawn those from eBay now and to be honest it served those watchers right for not placing a bid and not doing their research.

    The motto of the story.....its easy to miss a bargain on ebay and more importantly always do your research before you sell.

    #2
    Interesting story; but arent there probably several hundred possibilities that could match the initials?

    JL

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        #4
        In coming to this conlusion I have made only one assumption and that is these are officer quality binoculars. Absolutely no other guess work other than that.

        That man is the only British Army Officer match I can find a match for the intials N.S.L.

        I guess what I`m going to need to do with these is take them to a militaria auction house who can authentic them because no ones going to take my word for it unless they have sat down and done the research I have.

        .........it would certainly be case closed if theres a photo of this man with this case around his neck. I`ll keep the forum updated.
        Last edited by yellow; 01-23-2008, 08:36 AM.

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          #5
          Norman Samual Lees - Captain Northumberlands.

          Is another one Ive found. So its between these two men although I have yet to check for Canadians, Australians, New Zealaders and South Africans.

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            #6
            I allways research names and initials. Of course sometimes the name is well known so research is quite a bit easier. Case in point here is a set of Zeiss binoculars from the year 1907-1908. They were VERY expensive at that time (on the order of 30-35 Pounds! when a regular set of binocs would set you back 5 or 6 Pounds) so obviously the man had money so that helps as well. So after a very exhaustive search we come to Sir Henry Royds Pownall KCB, KBE, DSO, Chief of Staff (as a Lt. General) of the BEF in France, then Chief to Wavell, and finally Mountbatten' Chief of Staff. He was born in 1887 and died 1961 and was commisioned into the RFA and won the DSO in 1918. After The Great War he was at the Royal School of Artillery.
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              #7
              Here is the makers mark for the pair of Feldstecher binoculars.
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                  #9
                  Very nice pair Gary thanks for posting. I see that the design of the body is exactly the same as my pair, the difference being the manufacturer of the optics.

                  I`m thinking that since these are dated 1913 they perhaps are a date of commission for the officer, the date when he had to purchase his own kit.

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                    #10
                    I Bought 38 pairs, mostly zeis, out of a camera shop last year for £190. I still have in the region of 10 or 12 pairs left. They are not the best of sellers sadly.

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                      #11
                      Goerz was a competitor of Zeiss and had to pay Zeiss a fee for the use of the roof prism that Zeiss Patented in 1892 or 1893. The first modern type of binoc using roof prisms was the Zeiss Feldstecher and they were first produced in 1894. I have a pair of those as well and when you consider how old they are the optics are extremely good, even for today!


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                      Gary
                      Originally posted by yellow View Post
                      Very nice pair Gary thanks for posting. I see that the design of the body is exactly the same as my pair, the difference being the manufacturer of the optics.

                      I`m thinking that since these are dated 1913 they perhaps are a date of commission for the officer, the date when he had to purchase his own kit.

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                        #12
                        As with all things collectable, condition, condition, condition! And to have sold 20+ pairs of binocs in a year is actually pretty damn good! There aren't that many people who collect the old stuff.


                        Gary
                        Originally posted by Beau Brummel. View Post
                        I Bought 38 pairs, mostly zeis, out of a camera shop last year for £190. I still have in the region of 10 or 12 pairs left. They are not the best of sellers sadly.

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                          #13
                          Agreed but actually I gilded the lilly a bit, It's more like 18 months. They also were sold very cheap so I guess thats why they went so quickly. There were some beautiful WW1 examples and I was suprised that people rated the later (WW2) ones more. All the best ones were purchased by a German collector. Maybe I should put the rest on e stand.

                          Yours, Guy.

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