Newfoundland Badge

[Adam H]

Steve,

I think it's more/as likely that you actually have a 16th Canadian Light Horse badge. The 10th CMR badge has "X Canadian Mounted Rifles" on it while the 16th CLH badge just has the motto and no other text.

The white metal is puzzling though, are you sure of this?

Adam

[paulbear]

king and empire

here is a silver 16th from my collection could be what you are looking for

[yellow]

Thats it by my mooses head is the only silver part of the badge the rest is bronze.

Steve.

[paulbear]

That is a variant ors wore it enjoy

PAUL

[yellow]

Value for this badge is about 50 pounds.........because i saw one on eBay fetch that in December of last year.

I picked one up on holiday for less than the price of a happy meal. All I know it if I`m buying at the price of Mac Donalds products I`m doing well.

[pete]

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Here you can see an original badge, being sewn onto the cap of the decendant for this movie. I believe the badge he has is one like the variant of the subject of this thread, but, i believe this is the LATER variant not the early one, or even the 1949- issue, OR it may in fact be an officers quality one. I have had several and have one still and all were the rough made ones. My great Grandfathers collar tabs I have also seen and they are also the rougher qualityand he was in the second draft (501+). If you go on the thread i have made you might see the differences on photos. Alot of peopple on ebay have been selling 1949- issue tabs and passing them off as original WW1 tabs. FYI these badges were almost worn on slouch caps, to give the nfld Regt a different unique appearance, but the slouch caps didn't arrive in time to leave with the regiment in 1914. And for the record the Nfld regt was not ever part of the CEF like some people try and say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPcko8XLKE


Best,

Pete

[yellow]

Pete, would you be so kind as to let us know how to tell the difference between the first and second type badges which you have mentioned in your master thread as well as here? Is it something to do with the right antler by any chance?

My badge is exactly the same as yours and strangely enough it has a repair on the same lug! Perhaps thats one way to ID a genuine badge?

[pete]

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I dont think any serious sudy has ever been undertaken on nfld badges, militaria and insignia. There are no books etc, and the memorabilia I have seen is very hard to find and aquire. Most often none ever come son the market. So, when i say early, late etc I am going off examples of WW1 Nfld badges with provenance and photos, or photos and evidence of 1949-present badges.

(more photos coming in edits)


Here is the link to look at the Individual portraits of the regiments members where you will be able to see different styles. Mind you not all potraits are there, my great grandfathers is not.

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/greatwar/g...e/default.html (Select portraits)
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/greatwar/g...k/default.html
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/greatwar/g...s/default.html (here you can see the regiment by sections and platoons, and observe the earliest badges. Of course not right up close but you can see the brass style being worn throughout. I think the dark ones came later)


This is the link to research a specific individual in the Nfld forces WW1 as well as prisoners. The records are declassified and available through archives canada.

http://www.nfarchives.net/

Here is a known original identical style to one i got from scotland and one from the channel islands, and my grandfathers.

[pete]

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There is also a regimental tradition as was relayed to me by members that it is a traditon to not shine a Nfld cap badge (because of July 1st 1916). Thus that is why the 50-60-70 80s pre 90s (92-93) new style beret badges are all made with the dark center, and prized. New ones dont have this shiney caribou. I owned a dark old style badge like the one has been shown at the start of the thread but I got rid of it because it was obviously a 1949-70s officers dress uniform badge. I know there are WW1 examples in the dark style too as well but youll have to loook through the pictures in the links to see them. The WW1 style from what i have seen (and i have not seen officers or the dark examples up close) do not have finly detailed fur on the caribou and they all seem to be hollow in the back. Now, I've only seen what i've seen. i am hoping laurence strong and Steve campbel can help post known examples here, hopefully officers examples too.

[pete]

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Mess dress tabs (NOT ww2), but offered as WW2. In WW2 the next badge was worn because the Nfld Regt was under Canadian command doing coastal defence/replacements for the Nfld British Regiments 59,166th in the Royal Artillery.

You will also see a high detail, darker version of the WW1 style which was the one worn from 1949-early 70s.

Remember too that the R Nfld Regt has done many exchanges all over since 1949-(present)..badges have been traded and are on the market etc.

[pete]

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[yellow]

Hi Pete,

Thanks for the info. Heres my badge, I paid 4 pounds for it.

Are you happy its circa WW1? If not why not?

Thanks.

[pete]

I like your badge myself. I take it its hollow in the back? It doesnt show the features of the 1949 style which is solid made ( and what i said earlier based on the limited items I have seen in person and closeup in big photos). I think the prices on Nfld badges and other WW1-2 are HUGELY under priced even when they do feel expensive. Just look at the price of a Nfld Volunteer service medal from the sales of them when they do go, or WW1 nfld medals--and theres a bunch of those in my family. But, you cant put a price on family items!

[pete]

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To study this matter further I have found this cap badge for sale which comes from a presumed old collection in the UK as advertised. I suspect that this badge may be one of the jewler made or later production cap badges we can see in photos. These appear darker then the original first ones. I do not think this is a 1949-70s made badge for the garrison uniforms. The jewler marks interest me does anyone regognize them? I think it may be a fair call to look at the design and specifications of the badge and especailly the antlers and fur on the neck of the caribou to show a difference between a 1914-18 badge and a 1949-70s brass collar tab for the garrison uniform? The antler is also joind to the scroll on this one.

In the 1949-70s version I once owned it was a solid collar badge, it wasnt marked but it had high detail dark finnish - like bronze black, much higher then these we see in the photos. I saw a photo of an officer in the garrison dress uniform from the 50s with the same badge which makes me think that this was so. They may have even been william sculley badges but the one I had was not marked.

No study has been done on this to the best of my knowledge and we may be paving the way through uncharted territory.

[pete]

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The seller states:


THE BADGE HAS STERLING SILVER HALLMARK , THISTLE AND CASTLE , DATE LETTER K AND MAKERS MARK H.T , WHICH I BELIEVE IS EDINBURGH 1916.

BADGE IS IN PRISTINE CONDITION , CLASP IS UN-DAMAGED AND HAS NEVER BEEN POLISHED . THIS WAS PART OF MY GREAT UNCLE'S COLLECTION OF PERSONAL WW I MILITARIA AND IS 100% GENUINE.

Now with that i would hazard to say if this was a jewlers copy made by a local firm in Edinburgh from leftover individual or continued private contracts as the regt was stationed there in 1915 it might be made from an example brought from home. By 1916 all of the regt to the best of my knowledge had moved out and none were behind. The guy says he thinks its marked to 1916 however i do not think its a problem. The Regt may have even contracted a supplier for badges there and kept it.



Best,

Pete