Tyneside Scottish Badge information please

[Ron C.]

I am totally ignorant about British military items, but over a great number of years I have acquired several British pieces from U.S. vets and fleamarkets here...........usually one or two at a time. I would like to learn something about them, and am planning on posting them from time to time to try to learn. I am interested in learning the unit, type of badge (cap or whatever), history, period they come from, scarcity, desireability, and potential value of such. Any information you may be willing and able to provide me will be appreciated.

I am late to bed, so this will be the only one I post tonight.

Thanks,
Ron

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Ron, it is a WW1 period badge. You can find out about the unit's history here:

http://www.tyneside-scottish.co.uk/

Scottish related cap badges are always popular with collectors worldwide.

I think you will find that your badge has been worn a sweetheart item? The usual fittings to the reverse have been replaced by a broach pin.

Please show any more British badges that you have found.

Cheers, Ade.

[Marc Sherriff]

Broached badges were also worn on the "Borrowed" caps and on the blue coats worn by soldiers in hospital.

[leigh kitchen]

I did'nt know that, do you mean badges that were manufactured with brooch fittings, rather than adapted from badges with lugs or sliders?

I have a brooch fitting Tyneside Scottish & also a London Scottish, I'd wondered why they were produced like that as they did'nt appear to be plaid brooches, being diestamped white metal cap badge designs.

The first pattern Tyneside Scottish badge was a short lived small round badge with the Northumberland Fusiliers motto "QUO FATA VOCANT" on a circular strap, "TYNESIDE SCOTTISH" on a scroll, a tower, lion issuing from the tower with a forked pennon inscribed "X" & a couple of thistle sprays.

K&K show it as 1135.
Bloomer states it was the "1st pattern, 1914", & shows it as illustration 318.

Three variations of the large design pictured here followed this small badge.

One had "XX" at the base of the castle (the other two did'nt) & the lion issuing from the tower - it showed only the front half of the lion.

K&K state show it as WWI, no. 1136.
Gaylor states that it came into use in 1916, & was one of the patterns mostly in use during WWII.
Bloomer states "2nd pattern 1915" & show it as 319.

Another version of this big badge shows a complete lion standing with both rear feet on the tower (the version shown in the photos on this thread).

K&K show it as WWI, no. 1137.
Gaylor claims that it was designed by a subaltern of the regiment in January 1915.
Bloomer states "3rd pattern, 1915". & shows it as no. 320.

The other version of the "big badge" shows the lion standing with only one foot on the tower

K&K show it as no. 2361, worn WWII, sealed 19/4/40.
Gaylor states that it came into use in late 1915 & was one of the patterns mostly in use during WWII.
Bloomer states "4th pattern, 1916", & show it as no. 321.

I think that there was an OSD version of or similar to the first pattern badge for wear on the foreign service helmet?

Having read the contradictory information I've typed above, I trust that you are as confused as I am & could do with some definitive info on the subject.

[Jim Maclean]

I've always thought that this sort of fitting though not the most normal wasn't that unusual for the Jock regiments. I've got a BW with this fitting, definitely not modified. I think you'll find more of this regt than others for some strange reason.

As to the variations of this one there's the two legs on the tower as shown, one leg on the tower and half a lion. These can date the badge.

The first pattern was a smaller circular shaped badge, pretty sure it's in K&K. Want one please .

Durr,.......... should read Leigh's posts more fully.

Good badge though, I'd love it.

[leigh kitchen]

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..... should read Leigh's posts more fully.

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I would'nt bother mate, because all I've done is list the contradictory info from 3 different sources & I don't know which are right.