Royal Artillery Hat

[mac's warbooty]

HI ALL

I have recently been told that the cap badge on this hat is extremely
rare,I had absolutely no idea as my main field of collecting is german
Third Reich.The cap I'm told is ww2 and possibly 1920's,the badge
has the two push in lugs found on officers cap badges and is the rare
chocolate brown badge not brass.As you will see from the photos
it is original period and has not been altered or messed with in any way.
I would like to hear your comments on this treasure.

regards

Mac

[mac's warbooty]

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[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Mac, the cap badge is a standard Officers bronze badge. These are not rare at all, in fact it is a common badge. Sorry. But it is a nice original item.

Cheers, Ade.

[Peter_Suciu]

Ade--
What era is the cap? The crown is the Imperial Crown. I know that was used from 1902 onwards, but until when? Is the cap WWII?

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Peter, it is impossible to date the cap exactly. But it is most likely WW2 in date. That pattern of badge was used until Queen Elizabeth II came to the throne in 1953. After that the badge was altered to have the "Queens Crown".

Cheers, Ade.

[ROBB]

The super rare badge is the chocolate brown plastic version ,Rob.

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Robb, indeed it is. They are hard to find.

Mac is your badge plastic? If so that makes a big difference!

Cheers, Ade.

[BrentNunns]

I Agree with Ade, that it is most likely 95% WW2 era, but there is a chance it could be earlier, but post 1920s.
A very nice hat.

Cheers Brent

[Peter_Suciu]

Hi Peter, it is impossible to date the cap exactly. But it is most likely WW2 in date. That pattern of badge was used until Queen Elizabeth II came to the throne in 1953. After that the badge was altered to have the "Queens Crown".

OK, that is what I thought. So from 1902 until 1953 it was the "Imperial" or "Tudor" Crown. Can Queens not use that style of crown? The changes were after Victoria and then with Elizabeth, so that's why I'm asking.

[mac's warbooty]

Hi chaps

Thanks to everybody for your valuable contributions,the cap badge
is not plastic but bronze.Anyway a nice original ww2 cap.

best regards

mac

[mac's warbooty]

Hi again

Just to throw a spanner in the works,I think this badge is bronze
not plastic,it has two push in prongs,not the slider and is brown
in colour.I've checked one of my reference books badges of the
british army 1820-1960 by f.wilkinson and it would appear this
badge went on officers caps.Is the bronze badge rare,I've checked
the badge and it definetly is not brass.

regards

Mac

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Mac, an Officers Bronze cap badge would be worth about ******163;20-******163;25.

Cheers, Ade.

[mac's warbooty]

Hi Ade

Thanks for the info!

regards

Mac

[BrentNunns]

OK, that is what I thought. So from 1902 until 1953 it was the "Imperial" or "Tudor" Crown. Can Queens not use that style of crown? The changes were after Victoria and then with Elizabeth, so that's why I'm asking.

Victorian Crown = pre 1901

Tudor Crown was used by 3 Kings
King Edward V11 (1901 - 1910)
King George V (1910 - 1936)
King George V1 (1936 1952)
It became known as the Tudor Crown because of the similarity to the Crown in use in the Tudor period. So was used throughout the reign of four Kings and is generally referred to as the Kings Crown.

St Edwards Crown = post 1952
Commonly referred to as Queens Crown